Past numbers have *NOTHING* to do with future events?

[Mr J]

Yes, I know EACH spin is independant of each other, blah blah blah, I dont need the speach. My point being, the number of times you have read regarding past numbers meaning NOTHING. This misconception is usually from AP guys but there are sometimes others. In 37/38 spins, on average, there are 3 numbers with 3 hits on it. Sometimes 2 numbers, sometimes 4 numbers, whatever.

Lets say its the numbers 5, 17 and 34. I am looking for a YES or a NO to this question......try not to DRIFT from the question. Didn't those three numbers have to have two hits on them (within 37/38) BEFORE it had 3 hits? The number 5 is not going to magically jump from having ONE hit on it, then out of no where, it has 3 hits on it. My point being, if PAST numbers mean nothing, then HOW is it that we can gage that there will 2-4 numbers with 3 hits on them?

An example of a little contest we can have >> We'll track some numbers. Of course we know CHEATING may be involved with that, as usual. lol When we have 25 numbers recorded, I will pick 3 numbers that I think will have 3 hits on it by 38 (or 37) spins. *BUT* I also get to pick ANY 3 numbers for you, you dont get to choose your numbers. At the end of 38 numbers, we'll see who has the most numbers with 3 hits.

Who knows, I might not have any. Also, we'll do this for 30 groups of 38 numbers. At the end of the 30 groups, according to the slide ruler guys, it should be roughly 15/15. Maybe not exact but it should be close. Why? Because "the ball has no memory. All numbers are independant from one another, PAST NUMBERS MEAN NOTHING". Ken

[Herb6]

I think I just got a little dumber while reading your question.  

[Kelly]

To get 3 hits on a number, you need to get 2 first. Correct. 

"then HOW is it that we can gage that there will 2-4 numbers with 3 hits on them?"

Its normal probability distribution. The same probability that applys to rolling a dice or taking a card from a 52 cards deck which is being reshuffled after each draw.  Funny that it is always non math people that chases math problems.

[Mr J]

  It was rhetorical goofball. Its funny how the math people never really want to answer a VALID question. (All Keyser has posted is a funny cartoon guy, that'll get ya far in life.)  Ken

[Herb6]

On a good day, Mr. J is at best, incoherent.

[Mr J]

@Keyser >> Thats now two posts (here  ) without an answer, big shock!  Ken

[Kelly]

You started your post by saying you don`t need the speach about independent trials, but its hard to explain probability with independent trials if one have to leave the main thing out.  It would also be a mantra from the AP fraction which makes it invalid even though its simple high school probability.

To be honest, there were much truth in herbs post.

[Mr J]

Thats cool, do you agree with me or not? I can re-ask the question again. lol Might as well, I'm re-asking it on every other board.  Ken

[Mr J]

This is funny (on the other board). Now that I press and press the question, the answer is SLOWLY changing. NOW, SOME PAST NUMBERS DO have something to do with SOME FUTURE EVENTS. lol Had I asked this a week ago, the answer from the SAME people would of been, NO NUMBERS IN ANY MANNER have something to do with future events. Pure comedy.  Ken

[Herb6]

Ken,

When you post, you tend to leave out important information.  You really should only post when you're coherent and when you're willing to take the time to proof read what you've written.  

On the other board, they can't really understand what you're saying.  They're basically laughing at you as though you are a fool.  You just don't realize it.

[Mr J]

Thats 3 posts from you (here), still no answer. Also, I think you know me well enough....do I care Herb?  I'm watching Survivor now with around 70 posts to reply to. lol  I truely dont care, I have the BALLS to post whats on my mind, MOST do not. Ken

[Herb6]

Are we suppose to respect you now? 

[Mr J]

@Keyser >> (Now 4 posts, no answer) Do what you want bro, I gain nothing nor do I lose anything.  Ken

[Kelly]

Yeah i agree with you:

"Maybe not exact but it should be close. Why? Because "the ball has no memory. All numbers are independant from one another, PAST NUMBERS MEAN NOTHING". Ken"

[Mr J]

Here's my main issue Kelly. If someone says that past numbers have nothing to do with what might hit in the future, thats 100% fine, no problem. Then all of a sudden......"Wait Ken hang on man, there might be an exception to that". WTF? Out of the blue I hear (not from here) past numbers DO MEAN SOMETHING on future events under a particual condition. Again...WTF? It should be fair if I chose your 3 numbers for the 13 spins and I chose my own 3 numbers. How can I have an advantage? Its funny at the Wizards site, everyone there wants to fit in with each other. They would rather swallow their pride if it means fitting in better with the 'crew'.  I should of asked the nay sayers (a week ago).....hey guys, is there ANY situation you can think of, where I have an advantage picking 3 numbers? MOST of the answers would of been the same.

No Ken, the ball has no memory etc. etc. I instead change up the question and now all of a sudden, there is a situation (or two) that past numbers are NOW helpful. How many methods have I posted in the past that I got slammed for even mentioning, tracking and looking at past events? Lots, is the answer. Past numbers, in a sense are helpful with future outcomes. People can not have it both ways.  Ken

[Mr J]

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