How to beat a rigged RNG

[schoenpoetser]

I have tested several software of the internet casinos.I did it with very simply statistic methods.The results point out on manipulation but for a proof are the samples too small.If you understand the manipulation you can use it in your benefit.
I play very successful on internet.

[birdhands]

since only a handful of people win compared to the people that lose, I dout they would worry about couple of hundred aday. then again who really knows

Only a couple hundred a day?  That's nearly 73k a year.

[darrynf]

when they are making a thousand a day, i douy they waiste to much time on the small change, anyway thats just my opion.

I dont know what they do but what ever it is they are winning more then we are winning.

I think people will assum that RNG is rigg cause they lose but even if its true random it still would be hard to beat, everyone losses, i have lost bets but i always make my money back and one day that might change but i will never lose it all cause the casino cant take what isnt there

[col1879]

Here's this MATRIX 50 again! I hope you post it up in the forum.

[John Gold]

What amazes me is some authors of systems who claim their method 'tricks' the RNG.
Examples include 'forcing the zero' etc. It's a clever marketing ploy really. It's like they are saying 'we know RNG is crooked, but we have cracked the code'

Can you imagine a big corporation like Playtech allowing someone to trick them. I can just see it now.

''charlie, come and have a look at this, this guy is killing us. We never put in the countermeasures for the reverse mongoose 3 step parlay labouche super duper system''

''shit mate, that's our jobs up the kyber''   

It is a simple matter of whatever number you leave out on the layout. BINGO! That's the next result. That's all they have to do if they wanted to. I am not sure if they do or not. For that reason alone, it is enough to NEVER EVER go near any RNG roulette game.

[col1879]

***** I have seen the ball land on  Number 36 three times in  A ROW while.    A Player had.    1--35 covered.    Go figure.  .  .**********

That's nothing, one time (in play mode) I covered every number except 2 and lost, changed to a different 2 not covered and lost, changed to a different 2 not covered and lost, changed to a different 2 not covered and lost, changed to a different 2 not covered and lost, then gave up! lol

[Nahid]

Hello all,

just wanted to add some of the thing I noticed during playing online roulette. I was playing a new strategy which went ok for a while. this strategy will cover 30 numbers from the 36 and it will profit 1 $. it is a good one and I used it for some time and it went ok. I was playing the same strategy on mansion casino. and it went ok for a short time. what happen next is odd. the 6 numbers which is not covered kept coming on and on. I tried to skip random spins without bidding the numbers don't com up as soon as I put the bet it comes back to the same 6 numbers and make me loos. I tried to maneuver by skipping different number of spins and then put by bets again. the same story happens. I know that there are people out there will say that the casino software is random and the software will not detect were you are placing your bets...etc. but let me tell you something this is totally wrong. the software is rigged and after a while it will bet against your bets ,you like it or not. and let us stop fooling our selves that we can make money out of the RNG . it will not happen. I am positively sure that there is some sort of a software hidden in the casino software that analyze your bets or even detect the numbers your are betting on and bet against you. if this is not the case why after a while the RNG will leave all the 30 numbers of the roulette wheel and keep hitting the 6 which you are betting on. if it is a truly RNG ,the odds of this happening is less. the other odd thing happened is when I lost all my bankroll suddenly one of the casino representatives opened a window chat to offer his help if I need any thing. as he was monitoring my play. this happened several times in different casinos. to summarize the above is after playing for long time and lost a lot  believe me all that there is nothing called honest online casinos they will rip you off if you are an armature or professional player. i do not any one to tell me about the casino ADGE. THE ADGE IS BECAUSE OF THE ZERO SO THE casino has the advantage. what i am talking here about is something different , I am talking a bout cheating the players by turning the software against them. I know some of you will disagree with me on this point .it does not matter. what matters is do not convince your self that you are playing a fair game with the online roulette.

[ausguy]

Nahid - The thread says "How To beat a Rigged RNG". It can't be beaten as you strongly point out. The only way to not be beaten by RNG is not to play it.

RNG is not real roulette. RNG in fact could be played without the video display. They could just have a simple numbers display & the results would not be any different. The video display & sounds are put there to make you THINK & FEEL it's real.

Just like RNG slot/poker machines, RNG card & dice type games they are legally allowed to "CHEAT" the players out of their money as they are in the same family of video games = EGM's (Electronic Gaming Machines). Even air/auto wheels are RNG EGM's & are legally allowed to cheat. Cammergh makes a lot of different wheels for casino's. Their web site reveals that their airball wheels have speed control & air jet holes in the ball track. They then state they can land the ball on the opposite side of the wheel, 30% away or anywhere else they like.

All these regulations are set out in most gaming regulators complex gaming rules.

Have a look at a thread on here - Documented Proof of Cheating RNG. Main Roulette Board, page 12, October 2010. So everything you & col1879 & others have written about has been well known for over 3 1/2 years.

The big carrot with RNG is the much lower minimum bets than live dealer play. Like 10 cents vs 50 cents or $1 for live dealer.

What's better to play RNG & lose your money most of the time or wait & save up a bigger BR (bank roll) & only play the real wheel live dealer ? Either on line or at a real chip casino. At least a player has a better chance of beating a true random spun wheel.

Also the house edge is not only because of the zero(s) but that the payouts are at only 35 : 1 on both a 37 & 38 number game. Every number including zero(s) has an equal chance of spinning up. As always only 1 number wins & the other 36 or 37 lose in straight up betting terms.

[daveylibra]

Hey guys -

Interested in the post about rigged airball wheels. Are we talking about the ones used by the likes of Supercasino?
Two points-

If they can indeed rig the result of spins, on these wheels there are quite a few players playing the wheel at once, so do we assume that they undermine the most successful player, the one they think has a good system?

If they can do this with automatic airball, then they can surely do this with live dealer, since if every number division has an airjet, the result can be rigged easily. If so, we are completely doomed!

Any thoughts...?

[ausguy]

davey - The technology is there to "rig" a live wheel but they can't because gaming authorities check these things or at least at most casinos ? They even have wheels available that work off a push of a button with nil dealer spinning the ball by hand.

Have you gone to the Cammergh.com site ? If not spend a little time there & check out their product range, particularly their 360 RRS (random rotor speed) model.  Also the demo video tells enough to scare a player off these games. In the past year or so they've edited down the info they used to have but I think there's still enough there to get the full picture.

Most UK based casinos use Cammergh wheels (& world wide too). Supercasino ? You'd have to compare what's there with what Cammergh has.

Smart Live has Cammergh airball.

RNG animated roulette & RNG airball all work the same way. Yes they undermine the gross amounts played. They may not neccesarily ping a large bet, other players may think if that player has won a large bet then how can the wheel be rigged ? If you stay at that wheel long enough you'll see a lot of new players come, lose & go. The occassional winner is all part of the game as some players have to win to meet the % payout rules. Remember RNG = EGM (electronic Gaming Machines). Real live dealer wheels are true RNG's & not EGM's that's the difference. EGM's are legally allowed to "cheat" the player.

Always remember these EGM games may look like real roulette but they aren't all that different (casino profit wise) to slots/poker/fruit machines (the 'ol 1 armed bandits).

To put a spin on that old saying "walks like a duck, quacks like a duck" but it actually hee haws like a mule.

Casino's rarely advertise on the actual game (apart from the various table limits), if at all, the class of machine they are presenting & the odds advantage they have against the player.

[nottophammer]

just my thought, nobody really knows except the owners and staff, i dont think its fair to say every casino cheats but i would think every casino would have some plan if you were winning to much.

do you think staff have to sign agreement not to discuss rng. 
do any members know any casino staff, if do, why not ask them.
At least seven years ago read a system on dozens, the gist of it was the person said they were an ex employee of a casino, where they were a programmer, so guess they can program you to lose

[ausguy]

hammer - I don't believe casino's have game programmers because the games they buy, as with slots/pokers machines, air/auto wheels, RNG games = roulette, cards, dice etc. already come preprogrammed by the relevent game maker. It's the manufacturers that have the game programmers & game developers & make all the hardware, screens & graphics etc. Certainly a game maker can custom program any need of a casino.
All that casino's do is buy new equipment, set it up, switch it on & present it to the player with the certainty that they'll (venue) start to profit from that point on.

Cammergh is a good example where they develop & manufacture roulette wheels, tables & accessories. As well they have the marquees & linked computer game monitoring including spin by spin analysis of betting & earnings. They can also analyse all live dealers & "council" them if their spins are too predictable. My observations are that most dealers these days mix up their ball & wheel speeds a lot more. Also to add to the variables the dealers are changed often especially on line ones, most every 1/2 hour.

Sure casino's have IT guys but they mainly maintain their computer network that links all the games & operations. For them it's all a statistics, profit & loss world.

All the electronic games have adjustability including % returns. That's about all they need to do, apart from trouble shooting faults.

[CryptoLogic]

If rng ruolette is rigged, how can I then make over 3000Euro in one month playing in play tech casinos. Did I brake roulette code? B-)

[ausguy]

Crypto - Right play at right place at right time = wins. As I've previously said not every player loses just the majority.

You don't detail your bet MO but 3k can be 200 Euro average win x 15 days. As you say CASINOS then hit & run at a few seems to be the answer for you.

Good luck for next month & the months after that.

[CryptoLogic]

Playing in five casinos, starting with 1000e when reach 1500e I withdraw 500e. Just to not be detected, I only take 500 in month of each casino

[CryptoLogic]

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