*The Cauldron*

[bombus]

"Mathematically there is no difference"  Is this true?  It seems to me the difference is that the cauldron has the extra advantage of capitalizing on repeat numbers.

Yes, the 10 number repeaters group can be a devestating winning twist for this system, often rocketing the session into profit.

[bombus]

Hello,

At the very least this so-called Cauldron has the merit to go off the beaten path a bit...

@ insidebet,
Coming from you I'll take that as a compliment.  

...But put aside the bubbles and the minestrone, is there a reason why this could prove to be profitable over the long run?  If there is not, this just wishful thinking just like the rest.

I played it for  for real money for just a little while.  I tested it for another 150 spins or so.  Both  were losers.  Not by much, mind you.   200 spins or so means absolutely nothing, I know that.

Is there anyone out there capable of coding this?  On RX would be quite difficult, I would imagine.  But on Excel maybe?

Insidebet

I'm not capable of explaining why this should work, but it was designed with the idea in mind of making random work to beat the system as opposed to making the system work to beat random. It seems to work pretty good despite the odd wipeout.

50 or so spins of real play is no way enough to recover from a bad or slow start. 150 spins or so is a bit better but still not enough to ensure the system adequate chance to recover from a bad or slow start. You said the loss was "not much" and this is typical of the way the cauldron plays. Most of the time in most of the sessions you will be bobbing around with a little profit, then a little loss, then a little profit, then a little loss, etc. Many things can influence a sessions duration, but basically if it is a struggle then getting out with a small loss ain't such a bad thing, neither a small profit.

Just last night I played a 200 spin session and at about the 150 spin mark was down 120 units (nothing unusual). In the last 50 or so spins the cauldron recovered and raced to a 64 unit profit. That was a 184 unit turn around in 50 spins. The system was on fire at the close of the session and it was tempting to continue with more profits likely, but my time limit had been met so I stopped.

Often those favourable 50 spins come at the beginning of a session, so profits are a piece of cake on many days.


As for coding, I attempted to code this in RX and failed miserably (also lost my RX stuff in a recent computer crash), but would welcome someone to give it a go. If you're interested and think you can code it for RX then let us know here... what about you, superman? Are you out there? I wouldn't mind paying a bit of money to a coder if they can get the job done. Hey, if its code able and it gets through 100,000 RX spins we could even take Steve on in the $100,000 spin challenge.  

Whatever happens, I can honestly say I have manually played and tested The Cauldron for well in excess of 20000 spins and to date remain in profit.


On a side note, playing The Cauldron has the added advantage of helping you memorize the wheel order.

[insidebet]

Bombus,

Thank you for a very intelligent reply.  In most cases, whever I contested the validity of some the arguments presented, I was at best treated as "negative",  and often insulted as the man who brought plague to this world.

Your answer is honest and traight forward.  Well appreciated.  Tell me: before being Bombus, what was your VLS name?

If you contact the good people at RX they will provide you with another key for setting up your RX program.  I cannot speak highly enough of the aftersale service of RX.  It is incredible!!!  I once send them an inquiry e-mail on a Sunday evening.  I had a reply BEFORE Monday morning!!!  Anyone reading this who does not know RX, get it!   It is very cheap and I am 100% sure you will appreciate it.  It may or may not give you extra cash, but you will have fun with it.

I totally aggree with you: if you could test this flat-bet for 100k spins and turn a profit, then you would definitely know.

When you say you have played and tested  the Cauldron for 20k spins, do you mean taht it was flatbetting?  Progressions can be very misleading, as you well know.

Insidebet

[schoenpoetser]

The Cauldron  is a system. It is very often said "A system can not beat the roulette". That cant also for the Cauldron.For simply systems it is very easy to compute the advantage of the roulette.It is well-known for the European wheel it is 2,7.
To compute the advantage for the cauldron , you need a scientist in chancecomputing and statistic, but the result shall
be 2,7. If you make a graphic of the profit you will get a waveline around 2,7.In small samples the deviation could be very big.
Only with a strategy you can exploit this feature or phenomena.

[bombus]

Bombus,

Thank you for a very intelligent reply.  In most cases, whever I contested the validity of some the arguments presented, I was at best treated as "negative",  and often insulted as the man who brought plague to this world.

Your answer is honest and traight forward.  Well appreciated.  Tell me: before being Bombus, what was your VLS name?

If you contact the good people at RX they will provide you with another key for setting up your RX program.  I cannot speak highly enough of the aftersale service of RX.  It is incredible!!!  I once send them an inquiry e-mail on a Sunday evening.  I had a reply BEFORE Monday morning!!!  Anyone reading this who does not know RX, get it!   It is very cheap and I am 100% sure you will appreciate it.  It may or may not give you extra cash, but you will have fun with it.

I totally aggree with you: if you could test this flat-bet for 100k spins and turn a profit, then you would definitely know.

When you say you have played and tested  the Cauldron for 20k spins, do you mean taht it was flatbetting?  Progressions can be very misleading, as you well know.

Insidebet

I already got my RX back, but I lost all my codes and records

By far most of my testing, and to date virtually all my actual play has been flat betting, but I do have confidence in the old 1-2 progression, which I will explain in more detail later.

I will also soon try to post a logical (even if flawed logic based on fallacy) explanation of why The Cauldron's structure should work long term...

Cheers.

[insidebet]

Bombus,

Any idea how many units ahead after all those real and test spins (around 20 000) ?


I have played again for real.  Won around 180 units in 70 spins, way beyond normal expectancy.  I also continued manual testing from Hamburgh spins.  The testing has also turned around big time.  Around +300 units after around 270 spins of testing. 

Insidebet (the only way)

[hamsup_sotong]

hi ya bombus, could u show an example of how the 1-2-1-2 progression is incorporated please? DOnt really understand it.

Cheers
hamsup

[jrhelp007]

Does this system fits onto a Roulette running 0 & double zero?

In the land Casinos the majority of the Roulette tables are 0&00.

Regards,

John

[schoenpoetser]

Bombus if you succeed to prove the CAULDRON is successful on the long term ,you have found the HOLY GRAIL.How will you exploit that? Can we invest in this system?

[bombus]

Bombus,

Any idea how many units ahead after all those real and test spins (around 20 000) ?...

Yeah, lots. 

[bombus]

hi ya bombus, could u show an example of how the 1-2-1-2 progression is incorporated please? DOnt really understand it.

Cheers
hamsup

Soon, mate.

A bit busy at the moment.

Cheers

[bombus]

Does this system fits onto a Roulette running 0 & double zero?

In the land Casinos the majority of the Roulette tables are 0&00.

Regards,

John

Hi, John.

I suppose you could play it on a double zero wheel, so you would have two groups of 10 and two groups of 9. Not sure how it would effect the profit/loss rate though.


I am in Australia so I only play single zero wheels.

Cheers

[bombus]

Bombus if you succeed to prove the CAULDRON is successful on the long term ,you have found the HOLY GRAIL.How will you exploit that? Can we invest in this system?

Hey, shoeshine.

Seeing as I just gave the system away for free on a public roulette forum I don't see much point in marketing it even if it is successful.

The best way to invest in it would be to play the bloody thing at your local casino...if it works that is.

Cheers.


PS  Still waiting for an RX coder to come forward with some assistance, even if just to let us know if it could be done. 

I find it ironic that a system so simple to play needing only some visual and physical dexterity could be so confounding to code. It's a pity because a nice bot running this system might be a very powerful money maker.

[hamsup_sotong]

Soon, mate.

A bit busy at the moment.

Cheers

NO worries mate. IN your own time please. Thanks in advance


Cheers
hamsup

[jrhelp007]

Bombus, some wrote to you a request and I'm repeating his request.

"hi ya bombus, could u show an example of how the 1-2-1-2 progression is incorporated please? DOnt really understand it.

Cheers
hamsup"

Can you go over a scenario as requested above showing your progression method after losing 3 bet stage and the last remaining group as well. I assume now you're invoking the progression of 2 units per number? please show an example:

Thanks and "HAPPY HOLIDAYS"

John

[jrhelp007]

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