Stop thinking nickel and dimes and think millions......

[gizmotron]

MauiSunset, you are possibly the perfect person to teach for my legacy. I have my reasons. I wonder if you can handle reaching an epiphany with regards to revelations that would be very tempting to publish. I wonder if you could keep it a secret instead of taking a bow at MIT. I can take your fun & entertainment and put it on steroids. I can completely change your mind. It takes time. It usually takes about 30 sessions on live chat. That includes real playing one on one in order to teach and to open your eyes. I charge $300 per student and I don't insist on a non disclosure agreement. So far nobody has come forward and nobody has disclosed the method. I guess they are waiting for the casinos to catch on first. They are all guarding the opportunity that still exists. If I can't open your eyes then that's a failure on my account to teach you. There is a small chance that you are closed minded and can't deal with abstract thinking.

From what it sounds like, $300 to shut someone like me down might be fun for you. I know it would be fun for me to open your eyes. That's at least worth $10 per hour. What do you say? Can you keep a secret that is worth keeping a secret?

[MauiSunset]

MauiSunset, you are possibly the perfect person to teach for my legacy. I have my reasons. I wonder if you can handle reaching an epiphany with regards to revelations that would be very tempting to publish. I wonder if you could keep it a secret instead of taking a bow at MIT. I can take your fun & entertainment and put it on steroids. I can completely change your mind. It takes time. It usually takes about 30 sessions on live chat. That includes real playing one on one in order to teach and to open your eyes. I charge $300 per student and I don't insist on a non disclosure agreement. So far nobody has come forward and nobody has disclosed the method. I guess they are waiting for the casinos to catch on first. They are all guarding the opportunity that still exists. If I can't open your eyes then that's a failure on my account to teach you. There is a small chance that you are closed minded and can't deal with abstract thinking.

From what it sounds like, $300 to shut someone like me down might be fun for you. I know it would be fun for me to open your eyes. That's at least worth $10 per hour. What do you say? Can you keep a secret that is worth keeping a secret?

I loved Ronald Reagan, best President I've known.  I also love his most famous saying "Trust, but verify".

Not that I don't trust what you are doing, but I really need some kind of verification; it's nothing personal.

A simple demonstration in real time is all that I require.  I've set up a virtual DJIA roulette here but it takes 1 business day per spin.  If someone has a quicker way to see 10 spins and 10 predictions I'm open to it.

I did check into a Roulette wheel on Facebook that 6 folks can play in real time and am awaiting the reply from the author of the product - he wants $250, if I can get him down closer to $50 I'll buy it and set it up.

But I'm open to ideas....

[gizmotron]

How can I verify or validate something that requires a minimum of 30 hours chat one on one. Some of my students just began to see the whole picture long after real time playing experiences. That was after the basics. You can tell something to a person but that does not mean they can see it. I know. I have spent the time with these students. i know where they get stuck and I know why. They get stuck on reading randomness. It takes practice and personal guidance to widen the scope of vision regarding it. I created software to demonstrate everything. I use it to play in real time. Even live play at real on line casinos. What I don't get is this. You will blow $300 in an evening, all in fun. But you won't risk talking with me privately for 30 hours. I say you are afraid that I can do what I say I can.

You did not answer my question. Could you keep it a secret or would you want to be the jerk that kills the golden goose? You see, I'm far more interested in your character and how you value things than your measly $300.

That $300 is a test on my part. It used to be $500. But I discovered how to teach this the best with the first students so I lowered the cost. Eleven people is all that hold the secret, that's if you can keep a secret that is. Just your word. No non disclosure agreement. The person that outs this will be loved and admired by the other ten.

[birdhands]

C'mon, you don't mean that.  You don't really love Ronald Reagan.  I mean really, do you?

[gizmotron]

C'mon, you don't mean that.  You don't really love Ronald Reagan.  I mean really, do you?

How could you not love Reagan?

"Hi, I'm from the government, and I'm here to help."

"...government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem."

[MauiSunset]

How can I verify or validate something that requires a minimum of 30 hours chat one on one. Some of my students just began to see the whole picture long after real time playing experiences. That was after the basics. You can tell something to a person but that does not mean they can see it. I know. I have spent the time with these students. I know where they get stuck and I know why. They get stuck on reading randomness. It takes practice and personal guidance to widen the scope of vision regarding it. I created software to demonstrate everything. I use it to play in real time. Even live play at real on line casinos. What I don't get is this. You will blow $300 in an evening, all in fun. But you won't risk talking with me privately for 30 hours. I say you are afraid that I can do what I say I can.

You did not answer my question. Could you keep it a secret or would you want to be the jerk that kills the golden goose? You see, I'm far more interested in your character and how you value things than your measly $300.

That $300 is a test on my part. It used to be $500. But I discovered how to teach this the best with the first students so I lowered the cost. Eleven people is all that hold the secret, that's if you can keep a secret that is. Just your word. No non disclosure agreement. The person that outs this will be loved and admired by the other ten.

Thank you for your offer but without proof I've got enough things to keep me busy.

As to keeping secrets the problem is you've apparently disclosed your technique to 10 folks who are free to release it, I honestly would not want to get involved with that legal mess when word leaks out.

I'll just keep doing what I've been doing for a long time - have a ball gambling........

[gizmotron]

Thank you for your offer but without proof I've got enough things to keep me busy.

As to keeping secrets the problem is you've apparently disclosed your technique to 10 folks who are free to release it, I honestly would not want to get involved with that legal mess when word leaks out.

I'll just keep doing what I've been doing for a long time - have a ball gambling........

What legal mess. It will just be you and people like you. You know. You Barney Fife types with your bullet in your shirt pocket. The truth will come out, and I will get the biggest laugh of my life. You will be the Flat Earthers around the time of Columbus. You will be the old concept of gravity before Einstein. You will be MauiSunset before Gizmotron. Fun -- my butt. There is no way losing money is fun. All I can say is one thing, "nip it in the bud" buddy.

Barney Fife - Nip It

[MauiSunset]

What legal mess. It will just be you and people like you. You know. You Barney Fife types with your bullet in your shirt pocket. The truth will come out, and I will get the biggest laugh of my life. You will be the Flat Earthers around the time of Columbus. You will be the old concept of gravity before Einstein. You will be MauiSunset before Gizmotron. Fun -- my butt. There is no way losing money is fun. All I can say is one thing, "nip it in the bud" buddy.

Best of luck to you.....

[John Gold]

Maui, I am going to offer you a friendly challenge!
I have read all your posts and you say that you are just into gambling to have some fun. Personally, I don't believe you. I think you are looking hard for a way to win and you are stumped like a lot of other people. So you look at MM techniques to try and cover over the lack of a winning bet selection. If you have some spare time, I am happy to go through 100 spins at a time, session by session, and I will proof to you that bet selection is the most important factor in winning at roulette.  HOW? Because I will only be flat betting and you will see the profits continue to rise. It's a neat trick for a negative expectation game, would you not agree? All you need to do is to be able to prove where you got the numbers from afterwards to show their authenticity.
I have all the time in the world, 1 week, 1 month, 3 months. It is not to show that you are wrong and I am right. It is just to give credence to the fact that it is not impossible to predict future outcomes with enough degree of accuracy to gain an edge over the roulette wheel. However I suspect that you secretly think this is possible anyhow and that a lot of your comments are designed to mislead people.
I will not be offended if you refuse the offer

[MauiSunset]

Maui, I am going to offer you a friendly challenge!
I have read all your posts and you say that you are just into gambling to have some fun. Personally, I don't believe you. I think you are looking hard for a way to win and you are stumped like a lot of other people. So you look at MM techniques to try and cover over the lack of a winning bet selection. If you have some spare time, I am happy to go through 100 spins at a time, session by session, and I will proof to you that bet selection is the most important factor in winning at roulette.  HOW? Because I will only be flat betting and you will see the profits continue to rise. It's a neat trick for a negative expectation game, would you not agree? All you need to do is to be able to prove where you got the numbers from afterwards to show their authenticity.
I have all the time in the world, 1 week, 1 month, 3 months. It is not to show that you are wrong and I am right. It is just to give credence to the fact that it is not impossible to predict future outcomes with enough degree of accuracy to gain an edge over the roulette wheel. However I suspect that you secretly think this is possible anyhow and that a lot of your comments are designed to mislead people.
I will not be offended if you refuse the offer

OK, I accept your offer - thank you.

I build websites for a living now and can bring one up tomorrow that is just like this one - Simple Machine Forum.  We can work there or if you want here - that's up to you.  I only need 1 hr to bring it up - but I'm busy today with family matters.  My website can be password protected, open to the public, or by invitation only if you want.  (or a mixture of all of these)

Thanks for the offer.

[John Gold]

Thank you Maui for accepting the offer.

I am more than happy for people to see what we are doing. Tomorrow is fine for a starting date. Like I say, I have all the time in the world and it will be only fair if I proof my claim over a long enough time period to settle your curiosity. There will be no excuses on my part,  I will get right down to showing you excactly what works.
You could kind of say I am playing random against random much like yourself, but I do use previous spins as a guide and it does help me predict at an accurate enough rate to be able to beat the house edge quite comfortably.

I will leave the choice of which forum you would like to use up to you.

cheers

john

[MauiSunset]

Great John,

I will send you a PM tomorrow when I'm setup and the address - it's up to you if you want to make it available to others.  You already know how to operate it - it's just like this chat room.

Again, thanks.

[John Gold]

Thanks, I am looking forward to it. 

[Mike]

That's refreshing, someone actually willing to step up to the plate instead of just spouting gibberish (not mentioning any names    )

So John, are you going to make this a public demonstration? I have to admit I'm curious.

[John Gold]

Mike, I am quite happy to make it a public demonstration. A session a day or whatever Maui feels is adequate over an extended period of time will go some way to giving my claims credence.
I am not claiming I know what the next number is going to be. What I am claiming is that you can accurately predict enough times to overcome the negative expectation.

[John Gold]

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