Stop thinking nickel and dimes and think millions......

[MauiSunset]

I don't know where folks ever started to think that they can predict:

1) Next Roulette spin
2) Next throw of the dice
3) Next hand dealt in Blackjack
4) Next coin flip

To be able to do so would be such an earth shaking event that world attention and unbelievable rewards await you.  Mathematics would be shaken to it's core value - what we now look at as random, like random bursts of X-rays from distant suns, could be full of information for us to learn; messages from other life forms.

There are NO verifiable "systems" that stand up to open review that I know of - they are always "secret" and you must pay money to learn the "secret(s)".

If someone has such a "system" they should immediately publish it in a scientific journal and they will be awarded the Nobel Prize for Mathematics which has a $1,000,000 prize.  The movie rights, book rights, and heck even a New York Play rights would easily generate tens of millions of dollars.  Then there are sponsorships like being on the Wheaties cereal box - have your own clothing line, etc.

So all you folks with secret "systems" why charge $7 or $97 when you can easily make millions and be known to just about every person on earth?

Who wouldn't want to be on national TV and be invited to the White House?

Predicting future random events from past random occurrences eludes science right now - maybe you have the key?


You guys need to stop thinking nickel and dime and start to think mega-millions...........

P.S.

When you make your first million, don't forget about me - I gave you the idea.....

[col1879]

I think from your posts that you take the point that no-one can predict randomness?

At this exact moment in time I would agree. Certainly, there are a lot of scammers out there selling systems which claim to beat roulette which ultimately fail.

It is, however, possible that one day the breakthrough will be discovered. With a strong emphasis on 'possible'

If you were to pluck a person out of the 15th century and show them the world as it is today they would say everything was  impossible: computers, ipods, skyscrapers, mobile phones etc

The most important thing for any scientist, in my opinion, is not to prove something to be true or false but TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND.

It is the struggle, the searching, the desire to go on and evolve, to better ourselves, that makes us human

Do not get too attached to the viewpoint randomness can never be predicted. NEVER is a very long time.

Will humans ever be able to predict randomness? I don't have a clue. Could be yes or no. Rather than trying to convince people one way or the other, just attempting to do it, be able to predict randomness in numbers, is a noble quest.

Well noble for getting rich at roulette lol

[Mike]

Ha Ha, quite right MauiSunset. 

I detect a note of sarcasm in your comments. 

The truth (as you have noticed), is that no-one has found any system which will stand up to a rigorous peer review process. Folks have simply been "fooled by randomness".  Notice the pattern: someone creates a system which seems to do well, more testing shows it was a dud, so its dumped in the ever-growing holy grail graveyard. Another system is tried, then another, then another. Purely by luck, some will appear to be winners, for a while... but then the inevitable happens and it crashes. And so it goes on.

Some remain on this sorry-go-round for years. 

Damn shame really.

[MauiSunset]

I too suspect that ALL the "systems" to predict future outcomes from past events are phony and a con game.

However, if such a "system" does exist it would be earth shaking to science and it should be published for the good of mankind.  I'm serious.

So on the off chance someone is selling the next successor to fire, the wheel, atomic energy, and the computer please do us a favor and publish your findings ASAP and stop keeping it a secret.

Please....

[Nathan Detroit]

Why publish it ?  So it can be plagarized ? Let`s  not be  so altruistic   for the benefit of those leeches.


NUFF SAID!!

Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!

[MauiSunset]

Why publish it ?  So it can be plagarized ? Let`s  not be  so altruistic   for the benefit of those leeches.


HUFF SAID!!

Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!

I don't think you guys realize what predicting something from past random events means - mathematically.

It's huge - Nobel Prize material, in the same class as Newton, Einstein, etc.

On many gambling sites its so common place for folks to say they can predict future events that to actually have something that does do that would be classified a national secret - your article would never be published; you'd get a knock at your door in the middle of the night and you and your article would disappear for a long long time.

When you look at the latest encryption, like PGP, no computer can break the random characters for millions of years, and your technique would break it instantly - that is something governments would pay zillions of dollars for.

There are NO trends or anything but random numbers from state of the art encryption programs - to break it in an instant is monumental.

That's why folks claiming to own something that looks at random numbers and can accurately forecast/break that randomness have something worth much more than $47 on your VISA card.

[bombus]

For some time now I've really been trying hard to figure out this reading random caper - so far not the greatest results.

I think I have developed a very successful hair replacement tonic though - perhaps I should pursue that, it could be worth a few dollars - whatcha think?

[pins]

i go to the casino my aim is to win one or two hundred. i back single numbers based on past spins. i cannot gurantee that the number will play. but i win .  how could you play roulette without past number. stick a pin in the chart.

[MauiSunset]

I think, no I know, the problem so many gamblers have with statistics/probability is wanting more than what's there.

When I flip a coin 10 times and Heads comes up 8 times the natural tendency is to expect #11 to "come back to normalcy"; bet Tails.

I don't believe any statical tool says that - I could be wrong; I'm just an engineer and not a math whiz.

Now if you said in the next 10 flips I expect more Tails than Heads that kind of makes some sense.

But you can't gamble like that in a casino.

If the last 15 Roulette colors have 13 Red then you might have an argument that in the next 15 spins you would expect to see more Blacks than Reds - but how does that help you with the next spin?

Hope that helps a bit....

[gizmotron]

I think, no I know, the problem so many gamblers have with statistics/probability is wanting more than what's there.

When I flip a coin 10 times and Heads comes up 8 times the natural tendency is to expect #11 to "come back to normalcy"; bet Tails.

I don't believe any statical tool says that - I could be wrong; I'm just an engineer and not a math whiz.

Now if you said in the next 10 flips I expect more Tails than Heads that kind of makes some sense.

But you can't gamble like that in a casino.

If the last 15 Roulette colors have 13 Red then you might have an argument that in the next 15 spins you would expect to see more Blacks than Reds - but how does that help you with the next spin?

Hope that helps a bit....

Your generalization of what others or most gamblers do is known as a classic.
Gambler's fallacy: nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler's_fallacy

Trust me that when I say that people around here know about gambler's fallacy. Just look it up if you don't think it has been covered.

[MauiSunset]

Your generalization of what others or most gamblers do is known as a classic.
Gambler's fallacy: nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler's_fallacy

Trust me that when I say that people around here know about gambler's fallacy. Just look it up if you don't think it has been covered.

Great - now everyone knows why seeing 10 Reds in a row means that picking Red is just as valid as picking Black.

Use my watch trick as your source of a random choice to a random question - you can't do better.

[gizmotron]

Great - now everyone knows why seeing 10 Reds in a row means that picking Red is just as valid as picking Black.

Use my watch trick as your source of a random choice to a random question - you can't do better.

OK, I'll take a chance. You can start selling your "watch trick" now. What is your "watch trick?"

[MauiSunset]

OK, I'll take a chance. You can start selling your "watch trick" now. What is your "watch trick?"

When I visit a casino my main game is Blackjack - and after a few hours at the table I've got to take a break.  Craps is where I normally wind up since it's very hard to find a European Roulette table.  But online I like European Roulette since it moves much faster than craps.

Anyway for Craps I only bet on the Pass line with follow up bets to it and there isn't much more to do.  

On Roulette, however, I play just Black/Red and use my watch to tell me which color to pick.  I simply look at the last color spun and look at the seconds on my digital watch - if I see an even second I bet the last color, if I see an odd second I bet the opposite color.

That's all I do at Roulette.

But on both Craps and Roulette I use various money management techniques that I favor and I normally have a great time.  I don't second guess any decision at either game since no decision was ever made in the bet; 100% luck for the outcome and 100% me for the money management.

That's my little randomization trick I use....

[gizmotron]

I must congratulate you for finding a mindless bet selection process based on a simple rule. It happens to be the preferred method or method to search for of all new gamblers. Everyone wants a fool proof way to turn a casino into their own personal ATM machine. In your case it's your fun night out. So how you lose your money, to reach your goal, it might as well be as mindless as possible. In fact it makes perfect sense. You want to spend your money while your mind is in  a neutral state of bliss. And, you want others to think that you are very wise for thinking this way. It does not impress me. It won't impress any other professionals around here either.

When I visit a casino my main game is Blackjack - and after a few hours at the table I've got to take a break.  Craps is where I normally wind up since it's very hard to find a European Roulette table.  But online I like European Roulette since it moves much faster than craps.

Anyway for Craps I only bet on the Pass line with follow up bets to it and there isn't much more to do.  

On Roulette, however, I play just Black/Red and use my watch to tell me which color to pick.  I simply look at the last color spun and look at the seconds on my digital watch - if I see an even second I bet the last color, if I see an odd second I bet the opposite color.

That's all I do at Roulette.

But on both Craps and Roulette I use various money management techniques that I favor and I normally have a great time.  I don't second guess any decision at either game since no decision was ever made in the bet.

That's my little randomization trick I use....

[MauiSunset]

I must congratulate you for finding a mindless bet selection process based on a simple rule. It happens to be the preferred method or method to search for of all new gamblers. Everyone wants a fool proof way to turn a casino into their own personal ATM machine. In your case it's your fun night out. So how you lose your money, to reach your goal, it might as well be as mindless as possible. In fact it makes perfect sense. You want to spend your money while your mind is in  a neutral state of bliss. And, you want others to think that you are very wise for thinking this way. It does not impress me. It won't impress any other professionals around here either.

I believe that gambling is entertainment, not a way to make a living.

When I do something for entertainment I want to have fun.  At Vegas I get my fair share of free drinks and I'm always having a fantastic time.  I set up a budget for each day's gambling that closely resembles what it cost's me to visit and play in Maui and snowboarding in Park City.

That's all I do and expect from gambling - have a great time.

I know the math and there is no way to make a fortune from the casinos over the long run so I've decided to just have fun.  Learning what other gamblers do is fun too - I get a kick out of it.

So if you learn anything from me its to have a fun time at Vegas or on the Internet and using a few tricks, like my watch trick, takes all the stress out of gambling - at least for Craps and Roulette and Baccarat.

Blackjack is a totally different animal - but even there my little plasticized card I lay on the table takes all the stress of what to do away.  If you think Roulette has "super secret" systems, Blackjack is the mother of all "super secret" systems.

That's my outlook at gambling - if you get something from it I'm happy to have been of service; if not do you own thing.....

[MauiSunset]

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