Stop thinking nickel and dimes and think millions......

[gizmotron]

That's refreshing, someone actually willing to step up to the plate instead of just spouting gibberish (not mentioning any names    )

Hey Mike, it's clear that you are including me in that accusation. You should know this too. For more than three years I refused to share anything. After accusations from people like you, saying basically the same thing as you, I did come forward and disclose openly exactly what I was talking about. Ten people were curious enough to invest in my teaching. They were not a chicken shit like you. They took a small risk and reaped a reward for it. I gave them years of guidance and advice for an incredibly low price. I did it so that you are wrong as you can ever be. I did come forward and share it. In fact you think that you will be given a game wrecking holy grail for free now. Well good luck with that. Because if he really does go public with the final solution you will not get more than a few months to use it. You are in a paradox. You can't win if you can't use it. If you publicly publish it you will publicly end it. That will be real fun to watch. If John Gold comes forward and publishes the true method that beats Roulette then I will publish it all for free too. I will make sure Roulette is killed around the world. So go ahead. See if I care.

[Mike]

Mike, I am quite happy to make it a public demonstration. A session a day or whatever Maui feels is adequate over an extended period of time will go some way to giving my claims credence.
I am not claiming I know what the next number is going to be. What I am claiming is that you can accurately predict enough times to overcome the negative expectation.

Cool. 

I have a few thoughts on making this secure. Forgive my nasty suspicious mind, but the thought occurs to me (and perhaps others) that this might be some scheme cooked up between you and Maui.  Please neither of you take offense, I would just like to minimize the possibility that there is something fishy going on.

For that reason, I propose a moderator should provide the spins (my vote is for Bombus, but it could be any long-time and trusted member here). I assume you would prefer to have spins from a wheel and not a RNG?

Secondly, you need to have assurance that the spins aren't being manipulated or changed between bets. There's an easy way to ensure this won't happen. You can use a cryptographic hash function, there is a publicly available one (it's very secure) at nolinks://jssha.sourceforge.net/

The way it works is that the person providing the spins puts a sequence into the field (where it says "Input Text" in "Hashing Demo"). Say 10 spins at a time. This will generate an output hash. This hash will then be posted here prior to the spins being posted. When you have played the spins you can then input those last 10 numbers into the field and if the sequence of numbers hasn't been changed, you should get the very same output hash. Then just repeat the process.

[Mike]

@ Gizmotron,

Blah blah blah...   

I really couldn't care less. Put your money where your mouth is, talk is cheap. 

[gizmotron]

@ Gizmotron,

Blah blah blah...  

I really couldn't care less. Put your money where your mouth is, talk is cheap.  

You have no idea how tempted I am to kill the game of roulette. To live to see it all come crashing down. That includes Baccarat, Black Jack, and Craps too. That means you will get to not give a damn with zest. Only one problem. Nobody will be at these forums reminiscing the good old days.

[mistarlupo]

Mike, are side-bets allowed?

I want to put $5 on that we will not see any 'demonstration' tomorrow and another fiver on Gizmo to 'kill roulette around the world' (well, that's my jackpot-style bet but I expect someone to offer some good odds).

So... anyone interested?

[Mike]

 

Such cynicism mistarlupo, but you make a good point.

Many have promised, NONE have delivered. 

[John Gold]

''I want to put $5 on that we will not see any 'demonstration' tomorrow''

The last of the big spenders. 

Don't worry, I will be here. I have nothing to lose. That is the great thing about it. The only paradox in any of this bullshit is that you have all swallowed the lies hook line and sinker and the smart guys will just have to think up of new lies to feed you. I find that rather amusing.
If anyone thinks that if roulette dissapears, then that will signal the end of gaming parlours, they are mistaken. Times are changing.

[Nathan Detroit]

The usual S.O.S. about those  demonstrations and that does not mean " save  our souls"

[John Gold]

I am all in favour of using the cryptographic hash function. That should allay any fears of any skullduggery going on.

It is only a few tests, I don't know why some of you are getting your knickers in a twist for. (unless you have some other vested interests) There are people out there making millions on all different types of gambling platforms. For there to be a few big winners, there has to be loads of losers. Don't all think I am giving anybody the golden goose, because I am certainly not and most people would find a way to kill the poor thing anyhow.

[John Gold]

My aim will be to proof that it is possible to beat roulette over a long period. This will be evident by the z-score that my results produce. Roulette forums and roulette will still be here this time next year.
I just wanted to allay any fears that I was trying to bring the house down. 
This is mostly for the benefit of Mauri's curiosity that bet selection is not relevant in the decision making process of roulette. Please don't turn it into a drama. Thank you.

[MauiSunset]

John,

You use any set of numbers you want - there is no need for any kind of verification.

This is simply a tutorial and each person will use an online casino, or actual table, to try out the techniques.

If I were buying this, sure I'd like some kind of independent stream of Roulette numbers, BEFORE I purchased it, but that's not the case.

I thank you for your generosity....

[Mike]

John,

You use any set of numbers you want - there is no need for any kind of verification.

I disagree. It's in the interests of everyone that the demo should be as bullet-proof as possible.

Ideally, you should play the spins in real time at an online casino like Dublinbet, that would ensure that the spins are genuine and not corrupted, but I don't see any way of you being able to do that unless there was some kind of online software synchronised to Dublinbet to ensure that you didn't do any "past posting".

BTW, it's nice to see that someone actually knows what z-score is. One of the problems with forums like this is that very few people know what it means for a result to be statistically significant. If they did, there would be no systems posted. 

[Mike]

The only paradox in any of this bullshit is that you have all swallowed the lies hook line and sinker and the smart guys will just have to think up of new lies to feed you. I find that rather amusing.

What do you mean lies? what are the lies?

[MauiSunset]

I disagree. It's in the interests of everyone that the demo should be as bullet-proof as possible.

Ideally, you should play the spins in real time at an online casino like Dublinbet, that would ensure that the spins are genuine and not corrupted, but I don't see any way of you being able to do that unless there was some kind of online software synchronised to Dublinbet to ensure that you didn't do any "past posting".

BTW, it's nice to see that someone actually knows what z-score is. One of the problems with forums like this is that very few people know what it means for a result to be statistically significant. If they did, there would be no systems posted.  

John can use my DJIA Roulette number generator if he wants - but it spits out only 1 number per business day.  nolinks://vlsroulette.com/bet-selection/the-ultimate-roulette-system/msg126379/#msg126379

Date                  DJIA         Spin
1/28/2011   11823.7   35
1/27/2011   11989.83   35
1/26/2011   11,985.44 3
1/25/2011   11977.19   29
1/24/2011   11980.52   29
1/21/2011   11871.84   2
1/20/2011   11822.8   19
1/19/2011   11825.29   9
1/18/2011   11837.93   15
1/14/2011   11787.38   29
1/13/2011   11731.9   31
1/12/2011   11755.44   17
1/11/2011   11671.88   23
1/10/2011   11637.45   21
1/7/2011   11674.76   15
1/6/2011   11697.31   13
1/5/2011   11722.89   18
1/4/2011   11691.18   29
1/3/2011   11670.75   21


Personally I use nolinks://nolinks.random.org/integers/ when I want random numbers from a source that I know has no axe to grind.

I wish there were such a Roulette program that would allow folks to sit at the table, in real time, and see numbers and bets placed - but I don't know of one.

[John Gold]

Here is a suggestion!

There is a live roulette site called challengejackpot. They spin the wheel every minute. I would be able to relay the bets through the chat facility. There is no way I can cheat or nobody can accuse me of being some part of conspiracy. I would probably demand the same kind of stringent controls if someone was trying to demonstrate to me that they could overcome the house edge. I can't be more fair than that.

Mike, let's just say there are a lot of people on the net with all kinds of vested interests when it comes to parting people with their money. There is as much disinformation as anything else out there when it comes to giving out gaming information. That is of course just my opinion and maybe a few would disagree.  

Anyway, let's not get sidetracked. Maui, if you are happy for me to use a live platform like challengejackpot, I would be happy to.

[John Gold]

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