why I think (most) rng's are not random

MauiSunset · February 17, 2011, 01:02:59 PM

Quote from: Gizmotron on February 17, 2011, 12:58:06 PM
The online casinos have nearly no regulation or governing body that actually checks every line of source code for their online table games. This is not true of B&M casinos here in the USA. If there is ever going to be access by American players it will need this kind of tampering protection. Do you really think the best advice is to play an actual live wheel online to protect the fairness of the process? Or how about your own advice to play in B&M casinos only. That's just an excuse also isn't it? Perhaps your own advice is to selectively discern your own convenient conspiracy and act according to that. You are now conflicted based on real world issues and this topic.

For the first time it is now possible to trust the online casinos, if they were to adapt this technique that is. It really comes down to that old axiom "the old bottom line." With this players can bet knowing that no tampering has taken place. They can play as long as they want to. They can bet on what they want to without the need to mask their technique. I think you are attempting to dodge the issue by the use of deflection. It's a kind of kookiness all its own.

That's the great thing about using a live internet broadcast of a spinning wheel - 100% foolproof.

(I guess the casino could prerecord the spins and then edit and come up with any sequence they want - OMG)

gizmotron · February 17, 2011, 01:16:57 PM

Quote from: MauiSunset on February 17, 2011, 01:02:59 PM
That's the great thing about using a live internet broadcast of a spinning wheel - 100% foolproof.

(I guess the casino could prerecord the spins and then edit and come up with any sequence they want - OMG)

The casinos that broadcast live wheels publish the actuals too. That way witnesses at the B&M casino can confirm the sequences that went out over the internet. They would have been busted a long time ago if they had tampered with the live results. You are still deflecting, driving along in your "convertible Dodge."

Don't you think that discussing issues is almost as much entertaining as losing is when you gamble?

MauiSunset · February 17, 2011, 01:27:23 PM

Quote from: Gizmotron on February 17, 2011, 01:16:57 PM
The casinos that broadcast live wheels publish the actuals too. That way witnesses at the B&M casino can confirm the sequences that went out over the internet. They would have been busted a long time ago if they had tampered with the live results. You are still deflecting, driving along in your "convertible Dodge."

Don't you think that discussing issues is almost as much entertaining as losing is when you gamble?

See, I've NEVER had a losing Roulette session in Vegas - NEVER!

I play slow enough and order enough drinks that my 1 hour break from BlackJack puts me way ahead of the price of the drinks.

So as far as I'm concerned folks have a lot of proving to do to out do my Roulette system of randomly betting Red or Black s...l...o...w...l...y and getting the drinks as fast as I can.

Sure it would be nice to actually put some money into my pockets instead of booze in my tummy but that's why I'm here.

So far no luck.....

Bayes · February 17, 2011, 01:48:49 PM

Quote from: MauiSunset on February 17, 2011, 01:02:59 PM
That's the great thing about using a live internet broadcast of a spinning wheel - 100% foolproof.

Why is it 100% foolproof? If you're paranoid enough, you can easily imagine that the wheel has hidden magnets which are triggered so that the ball lands on a number away from where the highest stakes are concentrated.

Quote(I guess the casino could prerecord the spins and then edit and come up with any sequence they want - OMG)

Yes, people have claimed this on forums. In fact, there was a guy called Spike who accused Dublinbet of cheating, even though they are a real B & M casino with a live feed.

It's largely a matter of perception, people would rather play on a live wheel than an RNG, even if it did have the cryptographic hash, although in reality there's less chance of being cheated by the latter.

Bayes · February 17, 2011, 01:49:32 PM

Quote from: MauiSunset on February 17, 2011, 01:27:23 PM
See, I've NEVER had a losing Roulette session in Vegas - NEVER!

Prove it!

MauiSunset · February 17, 2011, 01:57:26 PM

Quote from: Bayes on February 17, 2011, 01:49:32 PM
Prove it!

I pride myself on coordination and ordering 2 sets of 2 drinks (one for my friend stuck in the bathroom) plus an up-front tip, make me a Margarita Ninja who is fearless at the Roulette tables.

But you'll just have to take my word for it....

Mr J · February 17, 2011, 02:52:21 PM

Quote from: Gizmotron on February 16, 2011, 07:40:45 PM
Nobody is ripping on each other. We are only discussing the relevance of the thread.

Well, I said there is a small amount of insulting going on and thats what matters.

Ken

darrynf · February 17, 2011, 04:30:13 PM

cheers bayes,

now i understand better, might play there one day.

darrynf · February 19, 2011, 11:48:44 AM

you could look at v.b

visual ballistics

harald · February 20, 2011, 10:33:22 AM

Quote from: Mr J on February 16, 2011, 07:30:32 PM
Guys.....Lets please 'cool it' a small bit with ripping on each other. If you dont like a certain something posted, dont respond, very easy to do.
Ken

Amen to that.
Like i said with this topic i just wanted to warn others for rng's.

harald · February 20, 2011, 10:33:22 AM

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