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best advantage play system?
March 03, 2011, 02:00:23 AM
What do people think is the best way to win? and give reasons. I have tried so much and conclude so far that you just need to find easy wheels. I never know anyone to win roulette using progressions or systems
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March 03, 2011, 05:02:04 AM
What do people think is the best way to win? and give reasons. I have tried so much and conclude so far that you just need to find easy wheels. I never know anyone to win roulette using progressions or systems

I believe you are correct - Roulette is just a fancy version of flipping a coin; too simple to allow skill to make any kind of difference.

Progressions and systems don't seem to help at all.

Money Management might stand a chance - that's where I'm focused.  MM has nothing to do with random numbers, or dealers' signatures, or the operation of the wheel and ball - it is 100% under your control and 100% grounded in reality.

Don't know if I'll ever find a MM technique that works but that's just about all that one can use to beat Roulette.

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Mike

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March 03, 2011, 05:29:49 AM
You're on the right track looking at advantage methods. There are only 3 methods that are recognized as being POTENTIALLY effective -

Visual Ballistics
Dealer Signature
Biased wheels

Or any combination of the above. Why? because they actually take account of the reality that the only things which determine where the ball will land are the physical characteristics of the wheel and the dynamics of the ball. Everything else is irrelevant, including Money management. These 3 are based on hard science, not magical beliefs.

Money management IS 100% under your control (just like taking a rabbit's foot to the table), but it's irrelevant to where the ball is going to end up, that much should be obvious. Get the edge first, then worry about MM.

Read posts by kelly, Laurance and Snowman at the Gambler's Glen forum, all the rest is garbage.
Do not read so much, look about you and think of what you see there. --Richard Feynman

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Mike

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Re: best advantage play system?
March 03, 2011, 05:49:24 AM
BTW, forget about roulette computers, but I think you already know that.  :)
Do not read so much, look about you and think of what you see there. --Richard Feynman

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March 03, 2011, 06:51:08 AM
Mike I do not agree with you.There is no proof everybody can learn these methods.All your methods demand very much experience and a lot of time watching the ball.I think a very few players can have the skill to be profitable.

A strategy based on statistic features is much easier to learn.Your methods are only to use on manual driven roulette wheels.Strategies are suitable for all random driven roulettesystems

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Mike

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March 03, 2011, 07:54:54 AM
SP, it's not as difficult as you believe. Once you get out of the "system" mindset and focus on advantage play methods, you might actually start to find it more interesting. A strategy based on statistics might be easier to learn, but is it as effective? I have seen no evidence that such methods have any merit at all, and I've personally investigated many of them. Of course, you are free to prove me wrong.
Do not read so much, look about you and think of what you see there. --Richard Feynman

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March 03, 2011, 12:10:08 PM
Mike i have published my results playing RNG driven roulette.Every session has a profit.I can live demonstrate a session.Of course I cannot claim a winning strategy.You must also learn the features of a random row and built up a skill.You did not answer the question ,How to play a RNG driven roulette game.

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March 03, 2011, 08:09:10 PM
I know that some ways exist to win roulette but I never found anyone really doing it. I already got what is supposed to be good roulette computer. I already learn visual ballistic and it is same as the computer.

I wanted to know more if someone is really doing it all.
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March 04, 2011, 01:33:48 PM
 
 Hi Mike
              One of the very few people on this forum who know what they are talking about!

I don't post often, but will make the effort when someone says something of SIGNIFICANCE!

Listen to Mike he has analysed and summed up  the 3 approaches to Roulette correctly.

This is the most refreshing post I've seen in years because the Truth of the 3 potentionally effective advantage methods has been listed and all three can be learned.

Not many, (if any) biased wheels any more. Dealer signature good, though need patience.

I believe visual ballistics is well worth the investment, if you are really serious, and I have to agree with Steve when he says improving accuracy of predictions, mastering this approach to vb will give you this.

All the Very BEST Mike!


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Re: best advantage play system?
March 05, 2011, 06:38:25 AM
Rocky can you explain me the relation between visual ballastic,dealers signature and biased wheels. What is the best method for RNG roulette.I have asked Mike but till now no answer.

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March 05, 2011, 11:04:52 AM
@ Rocky, thanks for the kind words. I don't pretend to be an expert in any AP methods, but I do know that they're the only viable long term "solution".

@ schoenpoetser,

There isn't any connection between the traditional AP methods and RNG, because AP is based on physics and the interaction between dealer, ball, and wheel. There are other factors which can come into play too, such as the humidity of the environment, because it can affect the bounce of the ball, warping of the drum etc.

None of those variables exist in RNG, because either the spins are generated by a computer, or by some random element such as radioactive decay in "True" RNGs.

The reason that you can get an edge using physics based methods is because it's possible to see and measure the factors which influence where the ball will land. There are many such factors and they are all inter-related, which is why often a combination of Dealer Sig. VB and bias is the best approach to use.

On the other hand, with an RNG all you have is the numbers - you can't study causes and effects of why the ball ends up where it does because it's all hidden from you. There is nothing you can measure apart from the statistics of the spins AFTER they have occurred. Either that or you resort to theoretical probability, but if you do that, you only have the mathematics of the GAME (not the physics of the wheel and ball, and the interaction between them). Studying the game itself will never give you a true advantage, because the payouts calculated by the casino take into account how the ideal game works. And it's in the casino's interest to make sure that the physical ball/wheel/dealer combination approximates the ideal game as closely as possible so that they keep their edge.

Fortunately for Advantage players, the ideal is never completely attained, so it's possible to overturn the house advantage in some cases.

Personally, for reasons just given, I would never play an RNG. I just don't see how you can get an edge.
Do not read so much, look about you and think of what you see there. --Richard Feynman

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Re: best advantage play system?
March 10, 2011, 03:48:03 PM
I use combination of visual balistics and dealer signature. 

schoenpoetser

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March 11, 2011, 11:02:09 AM
Zindrod can you explain me how you ascertain  The dealers signature.If I give you a permenence of 100 spins can you tell me the DS and can I use it in the next 100 spins?

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Re: best advantage play system?
March 14, 2011, 09:46:40 AM
Hi Schoen,

My DS method is taken from ball release point which would make it impossible from 100 spins posted in a thread. I need to look at the number under the hand when the ball is released. Because it is on tilted wheel with dominant drop I make a prediction immediately. Now I use VB and make another calculation. If I get different areas I don't play. If I get overlapping areas I play. It really is a action hands-on method. It does not rely on past spins ether.

Warm regards
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Re: best advantage play system?
March 14, 2011, 01:50:00 PM
Znidrod: You must have e very good skill to make profit with your method.In the dutch casinos I think it is impossible.For every spin the ball and cylinder velocity is variable.Every 45 minutes the dealer is changed.The time between the release of the ball and no more bets is very short.In that time you can announce wheel sectors or neighbours.There will be no time to place many bets on several numbers

In theory there is no difference between a randomrow from a real roulette or a fair RNG.So I can use my strategy as well as on live roulette as RNG.

 

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