What Does Reading Random Mean

[cheese]

If I see something written in German, it means nothing to me. Its useless information because I don't have the key to reading it. When somebody explains to me what the symbols mean and how they're organized into words, I can start to make sense of it. Random outcomes are similar, but you can only make a vague sense out of them, not an exact sense, like you can with a foreign language. Its all about organization. It about how good you are at organizing the random events into something you can use. It about taking one thing and making it into something else. Like BJ, you take the outcomes and turn them into a counting game to give yourself the advantage. There's a way to organize the random events in roulette to give yourself an edge. Lets see if any sock puppets pop up and say "Oh yeah, thats how its done, thats how I always do it." To which my answer will be "No you don't."

[bombus]

I actually have more success playing the EC's when I play a different game using the outcomes.

I use the table layout for red/black & odd/even and play tic tac toe with the results.

Yep, noughts & crosses works better than anything else I've come up with.

[cheese]

I actually have more success playing the EC's when I play a different game using the outcomes.

You're making a joke, but you're closer to right than you know.

[bombus]

You're making a joke, but you're closer to right than you know.

No, I'm serious.

Tic Tac Toe is as good as any bet selection I have found for the EC's.

[cheese]

No, I'm serious.

Tic Tac Toe is as good as any bet selection I have found for the EC's.

It will just break even, its too random.

[bombus]

It will just break even, its too random.

Maybe...


But I just won 6 units in 33 spins while waiting for this reply.

[cheese]

Maybe...


But I just won 6 units in 33 spins while waiting for this reply.

I take it back then, its a solid winner. 

[bombus]

I take it back then, its a solid winner. 

Thank you.

[I have cookies]

Tic Tac Toe sounds good - i made a old classic post about a similar way and assume some one have the option to strike different events using Tic Tac Toe - so how do you play ?

[ll l ll l lll ll]

It about taking one thing and making it into something else. Like BJ, you take the outcomes and turn them into a counting game to give yourself the advantage. There's a way to organize the random events in roulette to give yourself an edge.

Are you really taking the roulette outcomes and turning them into a counting game like BJ, or are you just using that as an example as it relates to card counting and BJ?

[gizmotron]

Reading Randomness means finding the context. There is context for the method, be that Tic-Tac-Toe or any consistent technique. I prefer a few solid follow the trends set of rules. These rules are nearly meaningless. They do not make up the entire process for a complete bet selection method. They only make it possible to see the three states that come and go. That's where the context of reading randomness comes into play. It regards the effectiveness of the ferreting out process. So Tic-Tac-Toe is as good as anything I suppose. I don't like it though because it's random in it's own right. It's better to use a simple rule. If you can come up with a reason to use FTL or use OLD then you have a less random qualifier.

But that is not the end of the matter. There is a reading randomness in the data that comes from your discovery process. You need to detect the three states that exist one at a time. I've mentioned them for years on this forum. It works very good, it works very badly, or it's mixed with both good and bad. In the end that's what you must be aware of. You must have a method to play against the rapid changes that come and go. If you can't find these types of context then you are blind to them. They will happen right underneath your nose and you will never even know it. So reading randomness is about taking a proactive action in advance of an expected difficulty.


Math oriented players expect that you must participate in all corrective downturns. They believe that there is no way to avoid or experience getting out of paying losses back to the casino that amount to a greater sum than any winnings already acquired. I say that that is baloney. It's possible to be aware of conditions and to take proper actions regarding them. One thing is clear as a bell, and it's easy to read too. Math oriented players are looking for nothing and finding it. Why should people that seek nothing be regarded as having seen the light? They are blind. Their conclusions are born of nothing. Most of all they want others to follow them. Believing that randomness can't be read is self destructive. Why follow that?

[John Gold]

Somebody may spend a lot of time trying to decipher roulette and get a better understanding of how roulette works.

If they fail, It is highly likely that they will come to the conclusion that reading randomness can't be achieved. That would be the expected reaction in my book. They are hardly likely to say  'well, I can't do it but good luck to the guys that can and I hope they make a killing. At least I can console myself that my losses are going to those guys' lol.

They are more likely to say  'I can't do it and that means it's impossible. After all I have studied roulette for 10 years and I am a pretty clued up guy' That sounds more like the reality to me. People don't like to admit they are no good at something. It softens the blow to the ego to say that it can't be done.

This is the thing. If you can't do it, it does not mean it can't be done.  But at the same time I can see how it could be used on a gambling forum by someone to make themself feel superior to others.

My opinion is that it is probably a skill that maybe a few could get better at over time. Just like a lot of other things in life really.

[gizmotron]

John, that's an interesting take on human nature. That lesson for the ego is better served by those that climb mountains I think. You either die trying or you come to grips with learning that you can't do it. The latter being the far better lesson in life. For me I had something else going for me. Nobody came along claiming this reading randomness was the way to go. There was nobody claiming it was impossible either. I just figured it out from actual playing experience and common sense. So I can vouch for banging my head against two kinds of walls. There is no substitute for overcoming adversity. This idea that some can't do this might best be left to the content of their own characters and their better judgment. There must be a kind of discernment allowed for from those that refuse to even try based on some fundamental belief. At least there must be that acknowledgment.

[Mike]

They are more likely to say  'I can't do it and that means it's impossible. After all I have studied roulette for 10 years and I am a pretty clued up guy' That sounds more like the reality to me. People don't like to admit they are no good at something. It softens the blow to the ego to say that it can't be done.

How about turning that around and saying that the guy with the big ego is the one who claims that they CAN win consistently.

There's no shame in admitting that you can't guess random numbers better than expectation. 

It's really weird how ignorance of math is held up as a badge of honour on this forum. 

[gizmotron]

It's really weird how ignorance of math is held up as a badge of honour on this forum. 

I'm not ignorant of math. I started out with probability books and hand held calculators more than 20 years ago while hand writing simulations. Frequentest probability is no "badge of honor" either.

So how will you explain a working algorithm that beats this game long term? Won't it become time to admit to being a little ignorant of math on that day? That day will soon arrive. So get ready for it. We should have a BOZO festival and a fools parade. The Mathboyz burn forever day. This archive will be a testimony to Nikola Tesla types.

[gizmotron]

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