Osama Bin Laden dead?

[Steve]

Huh?? Some of you are pathetically uneducated combined with wilful ignorance and plain stupidity. But let's just leave it at "I'm the one with the problem". What a waste of time.

[Mike]

You think it is mere coincidence that the president at the time was in business with the USA's most wanted "terrorist". You think it's coincidence that sec. of defense was CEO of the company that probably profits most from the "war on terror". You think it's coincidence that James Bath, Bush's air force buddy was the financial controller for the Bin Laden family. You think that Saddam really had WMDs in Iraq and the US's involvement in Iraq is really about "iraqi freedom"?? You really think the Allied involvement in Afghanistan is about finding Bin Laden and a bunch of Boogeymen, rather than a profitable pipeline. I know engineers in the armed forces and get my information on this first-hand - it is about a pipeline. You think you know about the federal reserve and what its really there for. You probably think the federal reserve is the government. Good on you. Like I said before, this is barely the beginning . . . But you said yourself you dont want to do more research, and will only consider what is put in front of you. You are a model of ignorance.

Steve, you're all over the place, try to focus a little. 

First, let's deal with iraq. Yes, I see it now; the invasion of Iraq was motivated by oil, but the USA needed a green light to invade so they arranged for a few of Bin Laden's cronies to fly into some buildings.

Of course! it's so obvious now! 

All those inconvenient little details which don't square with this hypothesis can be brushed under the carpet, that's the way human beings make progress!

Sorry steve, I just can't take you seriously; you're a hopeless case. 

If you want to have a serious discussion about this then please state clearly where you think the official version of events is wrong and give evidence why it is wrong. That will be a start. And spare me the personal attacks, I know it makes for good padding but it just makes you look silly.

[Steve]

Mike it is your life to live.

I said on May 5th:

I expect the next natural distaster will be within a month or so - really could be any day now. Just observe.

12th May:
nolinks://nolinks.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/8508784/Spain-earthquake-up-to-15000-left-homeless.html

I also said it will get worse before it gets better. Keep observing. Just around the corner is financial crisis like never before, partly due to the natural disasters.

Mike, I understand you are trying to win an argument, but you just dont know what you're talking about. I'm not arguing with you - I was trying to educate you. I'm not getting personal when I say you're an ignorant an uneducated fool - it sincerely is reality. If it offends you, so be it. Eventually you and people like you will know better. And I'm not just referring to natural disasters. I am not offended by your comments - they are pure ignorance. It is closer to pity although it is your life to live, your decisions.

Just keep watching. And when you know better, don't say I didnt tell you. You are the one who sat in his chair unwilling to research and learn, with your only source of information mainstream media who are as uneducated and ignorant as you.

Every one of us that is awake has been where you are now, and every one of us end up wondering what was wrong wih us. I just sincerely hope for your sake it doesnt take too long.

[Mike]

Steve, why do you bring everything down to a personal level? I'm not merely "trying to win an argument" but am actually interested in the truth, just as you claim to be. There are ways and means of determining the truth, and it requires a lot more thinking and care than you seem able to conceive. That is the real ignorance which you are displaying to an astonishing degree. Apparently the mainstream media is just as ignorant as I am, and you have to dig deeper to find the "real truth".

This is the internet; if you search enough, you can find any kind of "evidence" which supports your crackpot theories, does that mean it's the truth? Seriously, I wonder about your mental health, you should try to spend a little less time at your computer doing "research".

Is mainstream science also ignorant? according to you they must be. There is NO evidence that earthquakes are occurring with any higher frequency than normal. Events tend to occur in clusters, just like roulette outcomes. Because a human life span is a mere blip in geological terms, what appears to be a significant increase in earthquakes isn't - it just seems like it is to us.

And as to this ridiculous claim that there is some kind of underground "illuminati" controlling everything, it just blows me away that people can be so deluded. The internet is the perfect medium for this kind of claptrap.

[gizmotron]

Let's try this from a standpoint that I'm ignorant and that I don't understand an issue. Here in America we have people that think that corporations take the wealth and distribute it among their elite club. That leaves the poor serfs & peasants to fend for themselves like in the medieval times. They of course support all those politicians that promise redistribution of wealth. These same politicians won't admit that we are at war with al-Qaeda. Funny thing is that al-Qaeda says they are at war with us.

So here it is in a simplest form. Bush talked a militant fundamentalist Islamist group into a deal with us pathetic infidels. They preach and teach a global domination of Sharia Law. They are at war with the western world in order to bring the coming of the eleventh imam and their caliphate. In that scenario we in the west will conform or die. Sounds fundamentalist to me.

Now Al Gore might refer to the following as an inconvenient truth:

"To understand why the idea that the U.S. went to Iraq for oil is fallacious, one must understand where the oil Americans use comes from in the first place. If you go and do a little research--such as studying annual reports from government agencies who manage energy resources--you'll find that about half of the oil we use in the U.S. comes from the U.S. Most of the foreign oil we import does not come from the Middle East; most of it comes from Canada, Mexico, Venezuela, and Nigeria. Only a relatively small amount of the oil we use comes from the Middle East, and that oil is from Saudi Arabia, not Iraq. For the most part, oil generally is sent to customers who are closer geographically. In the Middle East's case, most of the oil they produce goes to more 'local' customers: Europe, Russia, China, and India, primarily."

Perhaps the Bush family wants to start their own caliphate, you know, to get into the club before it's too late?

I decided that Steve would call this a lie. So I got a second opinion.

nolinks://nolinks.american.com/energy

"About 1.9 billion barrels, or a little more than one-fourth of what we use. Together, the United States, Canada, and Mexico currently provide a majority of U.S. oil consumption."

[Mike]

Nice one gizmo, but you watch, I'm sure Steve will have none of it. "Gore was in on it too"

According to this article the oil imported from Iraq is now LESS than it was before 9/11.

nolinks://nolinks.scottmanning.com/archives/howmuchoilfromiraq.php

"If the Iraq War is all about oil, then the U.S. has spent a lot of money and resources to topple Saddam, run elections, and train the military/police to get less oil from Iraq and the Persian Gulf region."

There are a whole stack of facts like that which reduce the conspiracy theory to bilge-water.

[Steve]

It is easy to miss the big picture when you are uneducated, and refuse to research properly. Who "controls" the oil is what matters. Sale to the USA is no different to any other nation. Restructuring of the region is also important as the middle east is far from ideal for their plans. And research Halliburton and its contracts in Iraq. Also Carlyle Group and defence industries. Who were the major contract winners, and who is related to these companies? How many billions are the contracts worth? Research, then get back to me. Or dont. IT IS ABOUT MUCH MORE THAN JUST MONEY.

Again Mike, I am not deliberately insulting you or getting personal. It is simple fact that you dont know what you are talking about. You say you want to know the truth. If that is true, I suggest start with the videos on the front page of nolinks.universalsymbiosis.org - watch them. Then keep digging. You just have no idea, yet. It will take months to get up to speed. But you can spend about 5-6 hours and have a reasonable idea. SPEND THE TIME. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT, IF YOU CARE ABOUT TRUTH. Look past the crackpot stuff, and focus on what is credible and can be verified.

As I said before, everyone who is alert to what is going on once started as you two. Now we all wonder what on earth was wrong with us.

ABSOLUTELY the illuminati are real. The new world order is their goal. It is not for peace. It is for absolute control and power. And it is largely done through banks. Control money, you control everyone who submits to money.

President George H.W. Bush Sr's Famous New World Order Speech on 9/11/1991
How many times does he say it? What is the date of his famous speech?

Keep watching in the video. See who is in the skull and bones secret society photo.

WHAT I HAVE SHOWED AND SAID IS NOT EVEN THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG. YOU KNOW NOTHING.

Dont forget:
George Bush and John Kerry Skull and Bones members 322

It goes much deeper than you have clues about.

[Steve]

I cant believe I'm wasting more time on it... but on the back of the $1 bill:



The slogan basically means "new world order". When you learn more, you will know right now you are ignorant. Once you see it, you cant turn back. You will learn how dismissive and ignorant you have been. Some people stay this way, and dimissing everything as crackpot stuff. They will stay slaves.

The pyramid is a concept of power. With the top being the all seeing eye, the ILLUMINATED ONE (illuminati). Illuminated with knowlowledge. It is separate from those beneath it.

When you know enough, you will understand what people mean by "truth is stranger than fiction".

Great, more wasted time. Please do some research if you really want to learn. It is just clear you arent actually doing the research.

[Nathan Detroit]

  GOOD    versus  EVIL.


Then WHO are the good  guys ?

Seek and ye shall find.

[gizmotron]

I get it. You have to be kidding us. It's been a big hoot.  

Deal with this, or not:

"The phrase Novus ordo seclorum (Latin for "New Order of the Ages") appears on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States, first designed in 1782 and printed on the back of the United States one-dollar bill since 1935. The phrase also appears on the coat of arms of the Yale School of Management, Yale University's business school. The phrase is often mistranslated as "New World Order"

"Thus the motto Novus ordo seclorum can be translated as "A new order of the ages." It was proposed by Charles Thomson, the Latin expert who was involved in the design of the Great Seal of the United States, to signify "the beginning of the new American Era" as of the date of the Declaration of Independence."

I cant believe I'm wasting more time on it... but on the back of the $1 bill:

The slogan basically means "new world order". When you learn more, you will know right now you are ignorant. Once you see it, you cant turn back. You will learn how dismissive and ignorant you have been. Some people stay this way, and dimissing everything as crackpot stuff. They will stay slaves.

The pyramid is a concept of power. With the top being the all seeing eye, the ILLUMINATED ONE (illuminati). Illuminated with knowlowledge. It is separate from those beneath it.

When you know enough, you will understand what people mean by "truth is stranger than fiction".

Great, more wasted time. Please do some research if you really want to learn. It is just clear you arent actually doing the research.

So now your conspiracy goes all the way back to the creation of the Great Seal and you want us to believe that your vast knowledge of the Illuminati leaves us so far in the ozone of ignorance that you needed to remind of the fact. How can someone like you exist? I'll bet man never landed on the moon and Churches Fried Chicken is a secret government plot to exterminate black Americans.

Here's some good reading for your edification and enlightenment:

"Lizard-People Run the World
If a science fiction-based religion isn't exotic enough, followers of onetime BBC reporter David Icke believe that certain powerful people — like George W. Bush and the British royals — actually belong to an alien race of shape-shifting lizard-people. Icke claims Princess Diana confirmed this to one of her close friends; other lizard theories (there are several) point to reptilian themes in ancient mythology. And let's not forget the '80s TV show V."

"The Illuminati Run the World
The ur-conspiracy theory holds that the world's corporate and political leaders are all members of an ancient cabal: Illuminati, Rosicrucians, Freemasons — take your pick. It doesn't help that those secret societies really existed (George Washington was a Mason). Newer variations implicate the Trilateral Commission, the New World Order, and Yale's Skull and Bones society."

[Steve]

New order of the ages is literal translation .. thats why I said "basically means". You also need to learn about illuminati symbology, like the pyramid, and all seeing eye. And no, what is happening goes way, way back further than even the formation of the USA. Way back.

And like I said, look past the umm "crackpot" stuff and focus on what is more "down to earth".

I would love to see the look on your face when you finally understand you are the one with the problem. We have all been through it before. We have all been where you are now.

Stop plucking random information off google from publishers who have an equal level of ingorance, and dig. Like mike, you are only hearing certain things for the first time in your life and acting like experts.

[gizmotron]

Steve, I really feel sorry for you. I made far more sense on LSD when I figured out the mathematical equation for ESP. The fact is, I'm a alien from another galaxy that started the pyramid building on planet earth.

The fact that you take this mumbo jumbo so serious is almost illuminating in it's own right. I just love the facts.

This is done. You couldn't reach me with any evidence. In fact all you have is your attitude about it. I've seen no evidence that the government was behind 911. Really Steve, this is getting nowhere. You are right Mike.

[Steve]

Like I said, we have all been in your position before. I've said all I can be bothered saying. Eventually you will know better.

[Mike]

Steve, I actually watched a good part of the first video on your website, and was not impressed. Again I have to come back to the question of where is the smoking gun in all of this? where are the documented facts?  These "New World Order" theories have been around for a while and are well documented. Furthermore, if large numbers of people believe in this stuff it could have negative consequences -

Skeptics, such as Michael Barkun and Chip Berlet, have expressed concern that right-wing populist conspiracy theories about a New World Order have now not only been embraced by many left-wing conspiracy theorists but have seeped into popular culture, thereby inaugurating an unrivaled period of people actively preparing for apocalyptic millenarian scenarios in the United States of the late 20th and early 21st centuries. These political scientists warn that this mass hysteria may not only fuel lone-wolf terrorism but have devastating effects on American political life,[8] such as the radical right wooing the radical left into joining a revolutionary Third Position movement capable of overthrowing the U.S. government and partitioning America along ethnoregional lines.[3][9]

nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_%28conspiracy_theory%29
nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories

Conspiracy theories are more of an art form than anything else, they are actually a "genre" and big business. David Icke (who dreamed up the Lizard people) is one of those cashing in. nolinks://nolinks.davidicke.com/

People love conspiracy theories, they make people feel clever – 'I know about this stuff and you don't'. They also make the world seem like a more ordered place. It is no coincidence that conspiracy theories are most prevalent among political and religious extremists. Extremist groups provide both the sense of being part of an elite club and the certainty that many people crave. It is more comforting to believe that someone is in control of events, even if that someone is a malevolent force, than the alternative – that the world is chaotic and humans have only limited control over the events that shape their lives.

[Steve]

1. The first video is more about HOW people are being controlled: banking and finance. It is a small part of the picture. If finances bore you, you are not alone. But it is important to understand what is done via banks, and how it affects you. WATCH IT THROUGH, then research, and you cannot fail to be disgusted at what is being done to you and everyone.

2. Sure some people make money from "conspiracy theories". Does it change the viability of information?

3. You are confusing "conspiracy theories" with truth, beyond reasonable doubt. There is enough information to establish this. There is very little of the "smoking gun" evidence you want. But there is more than enough to make it clear beyond any reasonable doubt. But for clear proof of very bad finance policies to the point of corruption.... this kind of thing is easy to prove. For example, the interest for loans plus principle will always exceed the money supply. So bankruptcy is built in. They know this. It is the point. I could go forever about this and many points. As for various other things, I could spend literally months providing you with it, but it would waste my time. That's why I provided two points, one of which is that the Bin Laden family are in business with the Bush family. Doesn't that seem a little strange? . . . Yes it's not "smoking gun" but even you'd have to admit it's pretty darn suspicious, wouldn't you agree? But that is not even the beginning. Like I said, there is more than enough "non smoking gun" evidence like this for it to be beyond all reasonable doubt.

Finally you mentioned David Icke. Again, I suggest don't mix the so-called "crackpots" with legitimate material that can be substantiated. For example, I have never seen president Bush shapeshift into a reptillian alien. But I sure as hell know enough information about the Bush family to know beyond reasonable doubt they act in their own best interests, at the expense of the world. When you consider all information and see it as a whole, rather than fragmented, you too will know "beyond all reasonable doubt" that these things really are happening.

Speaking of David Icke, he believes ancient reptillians that are "not of this world" have infiltrated our planet and are manipulating us on a mass scale. He believes they are controlling us secretly. He believes they are controlling our trade through the banks among other institutions.

Gee, what a crackpot eh?

Now if you think he is a crackpot, talk to this man:



Why? Because he preaches the exact same thing. Satan, the ancient reptillian / serpent, will be "out of his cage" and will manipulate the world. He will have a monopoly of trade, and all those without the mark of the beast will not trade.

Wow, what a crackpot.

Another crackpot is this man:


After all, he swore an oath on the book that promotes and believes in the ancient reptillian story. Every US judge also swears on the bible. What a bunch of loonies.

Let's not forget about 1/3 OF THE WORLD who also believe it. Or maybe outside the church, it is all just "crackpottery" but if that was the case, then why is our society so bound to it?

So before you call David Icke a crackpot, consider the bible says the same thing. While I have no proof of David's claims, what proof do the the church and pope have? And if it's all just bullshit, why is the very foundation of ouor society supposedly based on the bible and its teachings? Why do all judges and presidents swear on it? Why does your money say on it "in god we trust"?

Yes, crackpots everywhere.

Regarding David's claims, like I said I have no verifiable information about what he says. But what is more "down to earth" and IS verifiable is the other things I've mentioned.

There is so much going on that you do not appear to be even vaguely aware of. Anyone who truly wants to know the truth can research.

In the end, everything comes down to CHOICE. For people that already know, no explanation is required. For people that dont yet know, no explanation is possible.

[Steve]

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