Ideas needed

[demac]

After some alternative ideas.
I have received $500 in $5 bonus dollar chips from the casino, they can not be redeemed for cash and must be played on a live table. I usually play $20 on all the streets and $10 on the Zero (euro table ,single zero) on a $5 minimum table to get a cash return on the bonus chips but thought I would put it to the forum for any other suggestions. 
I usually play splits and single numbers on Rapid roulette but find it awkward to play these on a table, too much reaching and shoving, and find my return on the rapid much better.

[ausguy]

Casinos always have quiet non peak periods/days. Before 12pm is good in my experience. I suggest that's when you should play. This normally avoids the crowded tables problem.

As you already have a familiar method on Rapid Roulette just continue with that on the chip table.
Should lady luck smile on you for a win then you can cash in the chips and play on Rapid at a time that suits you.   Best of luck. 

[iggiv]

some authors advice rather playing on crowded tables

[ausguy]

IG - My reply was in answer to demacs post of "looking for alternatives." He didn't like playing on crowed tables, as too much reaching and shoving made it awkward for him to place his bet pattern.

To play on uncrowded tables usually means visiting a casino in offpeak times. This was what I suggested to demac in my 10:19pm post to him. Also crowded tables are slow play games.

This is where Rapid Roulette shines with 1 minute spin cycles with a live dealer, the same as those
crazy crowded tables. I too like Rapid Roulette.

[demac]

Thanks Ausguy  and Iggiv,188 views and no ideas on how to turn the casinos chips into money??? I am going in again tonight, Ausguy, like the idea of sitting at a quiet table and getting free drinks etc but the dealer sure looks at you strange when you place bets on the whole table! Decided I will lay them on seperate times and tables and then return to the Rapid with my $450 cash and try to turn it into $550.

[TwoCatSam]

Thanks Ausguy  and Iggiv,188 views and no ideas on how to turn the casinos chips into money???

demac 

You'll have to excuse us for not chiming in and telling you how to turn your $500 into $5,000.  My idea is to use a Martingale on black.  How's that for advice?

TwoCat

[MattyMattz]

demac 

You'll have to excuse us for not chiming in and telling you how to turn your $500 into $5,000.  My idea is to use a Martingale on black.  How's that for advice?

TwoCat

LOL - well put.

[Carpanta]

demac 
You'll have to excuse us for not chiming in and telling you how to turn your $500 into $5,000.  My idea is to use a Martingale on black.  How's that for advice?

Hey, TwoCat dont be so rude please. Demac was only claiming:

- I Know My Rights
- I Want It Now
- Someone Else Is To Blame
- I'm A Victim
- Pay me for Doing Nothing

Gulp! I believe i read this somewhere recently, dont I?

[ausguy]

demac - Anybody would look at you strange if you put bets on the "whole table"? Perhaps they see that you are betting in the most inefficient way possible? Obviously by doing that you'll always lose? The more bet positions you have to place the more likely it is for errors to be made? Also if your using cash chips the same as a lot of other players, it can slow the game even further as checks are made on disputed win ownership. Those coloured custom chips for that table is the way to go.

All that being said, part of disciplined play is not to be intimidated by looks/banter/comments by other players/ dealers/ supervisors. Usually casino staff don't comment about the play style of any player so I would imagine that would have been the case for you & your recent visits? As long as you are playing within the rules you shouldn't worry about other people ?
Offpeak play reduces the "jostle factor" and numbers of other players that tends to distract.

Betting the whole table? I think you might mean betting the maximum possible positions to make 1 unit profit?  The most numbers you can bet on doing this is 35. This leaves 2 positions at loss risk on a single zero table and 3 positions of loss risk on a 2 zeros (USA) table. The loss/win ratio is high at 35:1.

An easier and quicker (more knowledgible) way to  bet 35 numbers is to bet 12 units on each of ANY 2 dozen positions and then you only have to lay out 11 bets on the 3rd dozen. If you like to cover zero(s) you can do that easy but naturally you'll have more unbet numbers exposed in that 3rd dozen. Perhaps that's what the dealer was thinking with your broad bet cover? Remember they see good & bad bets day in and day out.

Another option in that "3rd dozen" for speed is to bet 6 units on any ONE 6 line/dbl. street and also ONE street bet of 3 units. You then only have to lay 2 single units on any remaining unbet positions.

As an example lets say your chips are $1 each. So preparing for your next bet you make up your bet stacks with 2 seperate 12 unit stack sets (maybe a 10 chip + 2 singles) 1 stack @ 6 units(5 +1)
1 x 3 units &  2 units. Then when betting opens you physically only have to go to 6 table bet locations.
2 x 12 on any 2 doz. 1 x 6 on 6 line/dbl. st. 1 x 3 on a st. & 2 x1 on any unbet no.s. Total outlay/loss risk 35 chips. For any win = 35 -34 = 1+ profit.

Unsure if this is true demac? Let's do the sums. If a doz. wins @ 2 : 1 you make +24 win + 12 back there.
On the all other bets you lose = -12 + -6 + -3 +-2 = -23.  The win = +24 - 23 = +1 net profit.

For the 6 line/dbl st. pays @ 5:1. So 5 x 6 = 30 win + 6 back. Lose all others = -12 + -12 + -3 +
-2 = -29.  The +30 win - 29 = +1 profit.

For the st. bet pays at 11 :1. So 11 x 3 = 33 win + 3 back. All other bets lose so we have -12 +
-12 + -6 + -2 = -32.  The +33 win - 32 = +1 profit.

For the single no. bets pays @ 35 : 1 + 1 back. All other bets lose = -12 + -12 + -6 + -3 + -1
= -34. +35 - 34 = + 1 profit.

All the table odds are designed so that no particular bet has an advantage over any other bet when
any win is calculated. This is easily apparent in my above example.

A few bet strategies for consideration. 5 x 6 line/dbl st. bets covers 30 numbers gives +1 profit but can lose 5.
4 x 6 line/dbl st. bets covers 24 no.s & gives +2 profit but can lose 4. A popular bet with this is to cover no.s 7 to 30.  The same profit or loss is made by betting on 2 seperate dozens or columns.

Then you have the even money bets almost 50/50 = 18/19 = 95% and so it goes on, up to a single chip bet of lose 1 and win 35.

Also have a look at Code 4 system on the forum "CC" or here I'm not sure where? Some people post they are winning good with it?

Nobody has the ultimate answer of making money at any casino because of the advantage of the house edge %.

You leave yourself open to ridicule by asking forum people how can you make money at a casino in the way you have.

Like would you go to a horse race track with a loud hailer speaker thingo and call out asking for advice on the winning way for profit? Not much different either way yes/no?

There's no fast track way to profits demac. Masses of info. on these forums. It needs lots of time to do research. Only then can you put together something that MAY give you success?

[TwoCatSam]

Carlos

My apologies!  I just posted a winning system on that thread about the 2s.  He can use that to buy his Villa in the South of France.

Yes I read that somewhere............

Sam

[Robeenhuut]

Carlos

My apologies!  I just posted a winning system on that thread about the 2s.  He can use that to buy his Villa in the South of France.

Yes I read that somewhere............

Sam

Its easy to put somebody down.  Do you have anything better?  I dont see anything here of any substance. Mostly some Dz rehashed ideas or half ass systems ideas - my wife has some success playing them attitude....

Regards

[Carpanta]

Yes, you are right. It is easy to put somebody down when he/she helps a lot so to happen.

And I really have something better but you wont understand it.

Give my best wishes to your wife.

[Robeenhuut]

Yes, you are right. It is easy to put somebody down when he/she helps a lot so to happen.

And I really have something better but you wont understand it.

Give my best wishes to your wife.

Hehe

I do not have a wife.  Totally missed my point. Anyway  best of luck.

[demac]

Thanks Ausguy for a constructive reply, re the others, I never stated I wanted to turn the casino chips to $5k or a villa in france but rather how to maximise the return in cash.  I ended up by playing $20 on each street and $10 on the zero  and the remainder after the second spin on the most selected street after 12 spins and came up with $520 . I then switched back to the rapid roulette and had a good evening playing $10 instead of my usual $5.

[demac]

Will try to clear up the misunderstanding, the bonus chips are given out by the casino and can ONLY be used on live table (real human dealer, real wheel)  roulette, baccarat or blackjack,they CAN NOT be exchanged for cash or any other chips. I do not like playing on a table where pushing and crowding occurs so I try and win as much as I can, the winning chips CAN be converted to cash which I then use on the rapid roulette. ie. $500 in bonus chips hopefully becomes $500 cash. I like to place the bets so I can NOT lose on each spin, but wish to minimise the wastage.
I have been playing roulette for 3 years now, used to play tai sai & blackjack previously to supplement my pension income but am finding the returns on roulette far far better. Thanks to Mr J for his less is more ideas, I usually bet on splits and singles (@35 to 1 only have to be correct 3 times in a hundred spins to profit, 4 or 5 is pure gravy)
I find the rapid roulette enables me to relax and concentrate, take notes etc within my own space and  usually visit 5 or 6 times a week now and now the pension supplements my roulette.

[demac]

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