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#### ghost888

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##### Re: New Year Gift to ALL
November 01, 2016, 09:09:58 PM
Thanks TopPlayer1975. Now, I am sure that your method will work but playing once every 500 spins is something that I really cannot do...

#### JLP

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November 01, 2016, 11:00:08 PM
Here is what you do:

Google in : Christian Kaisan Wiesbaden you tube.He is that well known German   roulette  pro .

You will notice that he  is doing quite a bit of recording something into his note book. Could be numbers I  presume. What else.

P.S> The bet selection MIGHT be as you stated in   post # 12   above.

Hi Nathan,

Checked the video.
I could analize the play on some portion of it.

Last 10 numbers on marquee : 19.5.23.11.36.31.0.22.12.21 ........... Next 22

There are only 2 numbers that forms a sector where he next bet.
I am not so sure why he select 22 as the pivot for the neighbours.It could be 31 too.
Check the pdf attached.
But in other parts he bet on 2 and  only 1 number.

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November 02, 2016, 02:38:42 AM
JLP

Neighbours are always of the last number hit and forget about Kaisan since he bets based upon the wheel speed, acceleration, decleration and DS. I have extensively researched on his way of play.

Nobody can imitate his play hence dont waste time.

Test my neighbour method  over a million spins and let me know if you face a single loss.

Cheers,

#### Nathan Detroit

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November 02, 2016, 09:36:34 AM
JJLP and TopPlauyer

Thanks for your input  regarding C. Kaisan.

Quote by TopPlayer*********Kaisan since he bets based upon the wheel speed, acceleration, decleration and DS. I have extensively researched on his way of play.************

This is exactly what I  had been told by another source who had met Kaisan at a  table  in the Las Vegas Bellagio.

Now back to the New Year gift of TopPlayer.

Nathan Detroit
Free market capitalism is the best way to prosperity.  L.K.

#### TopPlayer1975

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November 02, 2016, 11:11:19 AM
good to see that you concur with me Nathan.
Nobody can imitate kaisan and he also loses as soon as the rotor speed changes.

To me any system based upon wheel sectors with a sound bankroll for negative progression and a set profit goal IS a good long term system.

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November 02, 2016, 12:30:06 PM
For my part I am a recreational casino player.  Bet selections  from the EC, 22 action numbers, and Dozens/Columns .

Even before I enter a casino I have made  my selection for that visit

To me there is only one kind of a bankroll  which is the  PROPER bankroll  based upon the table minimum  tomes  40  x 3 equally divided  into 3 sessions  with an attempt to win 2 out 3 sessions.

NO negative progressions. Strictly adhered to exit strategies.
Free market capitalism is the best way to prosperity.  L.K.

#### TopPlayer1975

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##### Re: New Year Gift to ALL
November 02, 2016, 02:23:06 PM
Hello Nathan

We play opposite, My bankroll is 1200 times of the first bet i.e 50 p total on 5 numbers and I only play to win max 20% of the bankroll for every visit.

For me progression are the key to win the game.

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#### Nathan Detroit

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November 02, 2016, 04:23:38 PM
Our casino moguls want  at least  a \$ 5 min.Then at noon  the min goes up to \$ 10. The lowest table min I have ever encountered was at Binions Horse Shoe in Las Vegas . That was 25 years ago \$ 1 min.

Let me ask you one question what  is the table MAXIMUM  where you play.?

Banker  Baron Rothchild told the  ( ca 1895)  owner  of the Monte Carlo Casino if you  remove your Max limit I shall own the casino. Never happened.

Our casinos here in the USA offer great  food at  well  known restaurants on the  premises . Great Bars to relax in  an array of stage shows with well known entertainers .
Free market capitalism is the best way to prosperity.  L.K.

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##### Re: New Year Gift to ALL
November 02, 2016, 10:10:27 PM
JLP

Neighbours are always of the last number hit and forget about Kaisan since he bets based upon the wheel speed, acceleration, decleration and DS. I have extensively researched on his way of play.

Nobody can imitate his play hence dont waste time.

Test my neighbour method  over a million spins and let me know if you face a single loss.

Cheers,

The problem is nobody understands how to play this, unless as I said before you put an example permanence.

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November 02, 2016, 10:43:33 PM
JLP

Here is an example, say the last number spun by a dealer is 15, neighbour is 0,32,15,19,4, next number is ,1 neighbour is  16,33,1,20,14 and so on

you wait for 18 misses for any neighbour number being hit in the next spin and then start play. Now say after 1,  number 16 comes which is a neighbour of , then tracking starts again.

hope you understand.

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#### ghost888

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November 03, 2016, 12:12:50 AM
Progressive bet is the key, I agree at 100%.

I am also sure at 100% that you can make a lot of money with your method but I would do something different if I were you. I would not wait for the 18 misses lol, you would make your 20% win much faster .

1st reason: When it is time for neighbours, just play. They can come 5 or 6 times in a row and you are just missing that...

2nd reason: You are taking the risk to play the neighbours when they don't want to come, so really not the best time to play them. But at the end, you will win anyway: what is the odd to have 31 spins without one the 5 neighbours lol .

3rd reason: If you don't believe to my 2nd reason, i.e. to my argument that it is not the good time, that would mean that the next spin is not related at all to the previous ones, so why wasting your time to wait for 18 losing spins because at the end it would have no impact on the future 31 spins lol.

I believe that waiting or not for the 18 losing spins, you will win in any case , except if you are so unlucky or if the casino is cheating you.

#### TopPlayer1975

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November 03, 2016, 05:27:19 AM
Ghost888
You never know when neighbours time will come, Max I saw them sleeping for 40 consecutive spins Once.
Timing is the biggest challenge, somwtimes they come in quick succession but who knows when they come

After 18 misses betting 31 times means Neighbours missing for 49 spins which I have yet to see.

Roulette is based upon probability, we cant get the same number in all 37 spins just by thinking that every outcome of spin is independent from the previous outcome.

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#### ghost888

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November 03, 2016, 08:00:22 AM
Let's say for example the neighbours don't come 31 times in a row once every 10,000 spins and as per your experience, they don't come 18 times in a row once every 500 times. So they won't come 49 times in a row every 10,000 * 500 spins which looks so big and that's why you fell so comfortable.

But it is just illusion because you play only once every 500 times. And when you start to play, there are already 18 misses in a row, so the chances that you get another 31 misses in a row is once every 10,000 spins, exactly the same as it was before you wasted your time waiting for 18 misses.

If your technic really works, that's mean you win for example 10,000\$ before losing your 600\$ base (18 + 31 = 49 misses in a row). Let's say for example it took you 500 days to reach 10,000\$ and to lose once 600\$. You played once every 500 spins so if you played every spins, it would have taken you only one day to reach your 10,000\$ and to lose 31 spins in a row. So, you feel much less comfortable because in one day, you lost 31 times in a row. But who cares, you already won 10,000\$.

Trust me, if your technic really works by wasting your time to wait for 18 losses in a row, it will work also if you play every spins.

And if it fails to work without waiting, that's mean it will also fail to work by waiting but you just didn't see it yet because you are only playing once every 500 spins lol

#### TopPlayer1975

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November 04, 2016, 12:08:22 AM
Hello Ghost888

Plead read my posts properly, I had said that for any table on am average we get 4-5 betting opportunities in every 500 spins, tracking 3 to 4 tables reduces wait time.

Missing neighbours 18 times in a row and then betting for 31 times with a progression is working for me based upon my testing of over 45000 spins without a single loss.

Everyday i just play for a target of 20% of my bankroll.
As mentioned earlier i have seen neighbours missing for 40 times only once. If we dont wait then we lose bigtime by playing every spin.
Missing upto 25,30,35 times is pretty common.

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#### ghost888

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November 04, 2016, 03:00:59 AM
I didn't write down the numbers correctly (by being lazy) but I understood you perfectly well and I believe everybody else understood that you are just wasting your time by waiting for 18 misses in a row.

And when you are saying we are going to lose big time by playing at everything spins, it is exactly the same as saying your method is garbage and you will lose big time if you use it

My math was pretty simple.

Now, give me only one reason why playing when the neighboors are cold is going to inprove the probability to get one?

I can give you some reasons why it could decrease the probability to get one (instead of improving).
For example, the way the dealer is throwing the ball. Exactly the same way everytime so if he misses the neighboors for 18 spins, most likely he will  miss them again much more than touch them.
Another example, a lot of players are playing the neighboors so the dealer is purposely targetting any other areas.
Or even without the knowledge of the dealer, the casino can rig the results if a lot of players are playing the neighboors.

Now, when you are saying you didn't face any single loss in 45,000 spins. Is it really 45,000 spins or only 450 spins (yes, because you are playing only 4  or 5 times every 500 spins so once every 100 spins)

If you wait for 300 misses in a row, you can guarantee that the probability to lose is as close as possible to 0. But the probability to win is also as close as possible to 0 as you will never play... LOL and so when you are finally playing after 300 losses in a row, your probability to win is just exactly the same as if you chose to play at any other spin. You are feeling good because you knew that if you played before you would have lost. But again, it is just an illusion because 300 losses is one time in a life time so if you chose to play at any other spin, the probability that you chose one of the 300 ealier spins was as close as possible to 0. Comprendo? LOL

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