Just my opinion, so far no simple system here works long-term yet

[bobbybobby]

that's just my opinion.

the closest i have seen are from Victor and Kimo so far.

I am just an average player, any comments are welcome  :-)


cheers,
BobbyBobby

[VICLIMKS]

How about hammys single street system.....not bad at the moment....but long term i dunno?

[xman1970]

Nicely put Mr.Chips [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

[Herb]

Truthfully,

Systems don't work, and can't work because of the house edge.  There isn't one posted anywhere that can.  This isn't to say that some aren't fun to play.

Strategies, like dealer's signature where the ball release number and wheel speed is taken into account can work. They have also been tested.  Unfortunately it doesn't work on every wheel out there because of the physical conditions required.

-Herb

[Proofreaders2000]

Well, finding the 'flawless' system is why we're here.  Truth be told, the only way not to risk losing is to not play.  At the same time, there are potential millionaire opportunities that await the individual that has a system that truly wins more than it loses.  I believe, (and so do many of you, that we're inching closer and closer to the 'Holy Grail'.  Any day now.

[xman1970]

Don't think the "Holy Grail" exists Proof.....


But I agree we are edging closer to something that can stand up for a long time.....

[Boo_Ray]

I think wise stopwin and stoplos can do the job.. and patience of course

[xman1970]

I agree Boo_Ray, the other thing for me is NOT trying to win too big a percentage of your bankroll

I think winning 25% of your bankroll is the absolute maximum 

[bobbybobby]

hi xman, i would beg to differ though.

winning 25% of your bankroll per session target you mean?

or just winning 25% of bankroll and never return?



Bobby

[xman1970]

Per session Bobby 

I just think anything greater is asking too much that's all....

I like the idea of getting in n getting out.......

eg bankroll for session is $500 IF you win $125 get the fook out of there.....

[codegenic]

I would have to disagree on the main postulate.
A long term profitable system does exist. I am currently playing it in two variants and the key in both are to keep it simple and avoid progressions that kill your BR.

Its a system than can be applied to even bets/ dozens etc and works great. Simply accept that losses can occur and stop chasing the equalising bet.

I will elaborate if need be, just ask me polightly and remember, math is important, math is great, but math doesnt beat the game, the person behind it following the math does.

Kind regards,

Codegenic

[bobbybobby]

Hi Codegenic, really?

I would love to be able to learn from you man, if you are okay to share.

Thanks.  But if you not comfy, it's okay too.

Cheers,
BobbyBobby

[hermes]

Guys you are wasting time looking for holy grail before the holy grave catch you. There are quite a few systems on roulette, baccarat, and craps (no slots and RNGs), which are profitable in long run but stubborn and blind are only looking for holy sheet. The house advantage is for dummies only. It is mathematical formula which robs majority of players despite that a few enjoy roller coaster of winnings and losings with growing bankroll.
Yes, system which increase your bankroll by 20 to 50 % is an excellent system.
Lately, I enjoy to play the most exciting game, the craps. With $100 bankroll I win between $50 and $150 in 1 or 2 hours but I won already with $100 bankroll $1,500. It took me 45 minutes to shoot 96 rolls without 7 out and repeated the point 9 times. Sometimes other shooters lose my bankroll but no more than $100 because it's a stoploss. In craps jargon we say: "hell is other people", but craps is teamwork game. The win/loss ratio is around 5:1. I don't care about the house edge at all because that's for mathematicians, and the risk factor is not included. Not applicable for risk taking players. Remember: No Risk, No Gain. People looking for holy grail want to avoid risk (because of fear to lose - greed factor), and that doesn't work in our universe. Another factor, they want the holy grail for free, again there is no free lunch in the universe.
Hermes

[wiggy]

I think the holy grail does exist - but we're just looking at it all wrong.
If Mr.X came to you and said here's a complete system that would win consistent profits and he proved it to you - you would consider it the holy grail.

No matter how big or small the profits, that's what I consider the holy grail... something that won't fail long term.

I've found a system to suit my playing style that I'm very confident will win me 10% of my bankroll in a session every time. Everybody here in this forum is just looking for the right way to play that suits them and meets their expectations. Lets not disagree with somebody's point of view because clearly some people out there have found systems that work long term and suit their playing styles.

Encourage thinking is the point of this forum!

[Spike]

I've found a system to suit my playing style that I'm very confident will win me 10% of my bankroll in a session every time.>>

Then you have the Grail, don't you. If you're BR was 100K ( not unusual for many people) you would win 10K in every session. You would make millions every year. Hundreds of millions if you had a really large BR.

Are you sure you have a 10% consistant winner?

[Spike]

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