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Re: Under cover for the darkside
September 20, 2009, 03:10:12 PM
Great for sharing dear Bruce.  :good:

That is directly proportional to:

1) Does the location depends heavily on gambling revenue?
(At Vegas and other gambling-dependent locations one might expect more awareness regarding advantage play from the staff).

2) Is the device profitable?
As long as they are earning enough profit from a defective device I guess they won't bother replacing it. I've seen casinos WITHOUT any marquee and no data collection from members of the staff. They just spin that wheel and as long as they make money with it, the device is assumed to be good.

Hi lads

and thx for the remarks

Vic,,,,,,you hit it on the head mate

Polish mate laughed when this happened and said something to the lass that did the dirty on me

still being peed off at the time i said HEY;;WHAT DID YOU SAY THERE,,,,,,,,,He replied and said ,,,,,,,,I told here to she would never last long in a real casino by doing thungs like that

It was nice to have some of the locals on my side

although the casino is part of a large chain in Poland theyre just happy that the money keeps rolling in,quite simply the cant expect the revenue as some casino enjoy in western EU

also ignorance and badly trained staff are so WELCOME in ADVANTAGE PLAY

ok lads,,,until the next time




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Re: Under cover for the darkside
September 20, 2009, 03:19:42 PM
Nice one Davey

good to see your efforts are paying ofF(btw how did you come on)

will catch up with you on msn


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Re:BR doubled in four hours
December 28, 2009, 08:03:54 AM


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Re: Under cover for the darkside
December 28, 2009, 08:10:01 AM
Hi Bruce.

Congrats on the Win Champion.

I am pleased for You My Mate.



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Re: Under cover for the darkside
December 28, 2009, 03:09:52 PM
Way to go Bruce. :thumbsup:

I agree that number 19 was the way to go on this wheel.

I suspect that number 26 might have shown some promise with more data collected seeing as how it has a positive SD and is surrounded by two bad numbers. I have divided the sample into two parts and analyzed them differently and this was true in both parts which is a good sign.

I could be wrong though. I suppose 4000-5000 spins would confirm if 19 is the only good number or not.


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Re:lost all what i won in four hours
December 28, 2009, 04:28:45 PM
Thx for the support Lads

today was not good,,,I noticed the weather was well covered up and that reminded what Ive read time and time again,,so I went canny like,should have started betting about 40 units plus but decided to wait and see approach,took 1% OF BR and diveded it by four dont ask my why I came to that just thought it was sencible and thought I  should bet atleast something,,,
ok youl  see by the new data that I was right?

and bang every side of 19 got hit,,maybe I learned something today,,,,,,,19 weant nearly 100 spins without comming in slow start and when it did come it was happy days ,,,,,,,was in plus again from previous session,and as i said then came the 100 spins that 19 slept(weather?????)

LEFT WHEEL EVEN,,,,,asked for taxi and as I had not enough for 20 units on 19 I split it on the old favorites that where comming back into play buuuump no luck none showed..........stood up said my goodbyes to the Lads and coooooooorva(Polish for shit) NEVER I SAID   LOOOOOK AT THE SECONS LAST RESULT :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

satid for one last spin 33 came in and left,but with a smile on my face,,,,,after all it was the casinos money that i had lost ,,,but all the same it still hurts

ok new data is below

Regards Bruce

hey Marven thx for your time on that,,,,can you see anything mate,,,this session rings bells from my past sessions

ok cya

regards Bruce


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Re: Under cover for the darkside
December 28, 2009, 05:59:48 PM
Hi Bruce,

You played for 198 spins, in which number 19 had about 0 SD (break even). In my humble opinion I would say it's probably natural, don't give up on that wheel.

In the whole data set you had 3.5 SD on number 19, however I can find you 198 spins within that data set where 19 was rather 'sleeping' and had 0 SD. If the pocket is still biased, usually its SD should rise back up in the next 200 spins or so.

I would suggest you keep tracking and compare its performance to this last session of yours. If it proves to be still biased, keep on playing it.


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Re: Under cover for the darkside
December 29, 2009, 12:19:25 PM
Hi Bruce - and Marven also.

Maybe the 3-pocket sector 15-19-4 should be considered?
Look at this:
The two diagrams to the left are single numbers - 1st set and 2nd set of spins.
The two diagrams to the right are 3-numbers sectors.

Both sectors 15-19-4 and 19-4-21 have 263 hits in 2681 spins
After 2879 spins 15-19-4 has 285 hits (+22) while 19-4-21 has 278 hits (+15).

Had you been betting only #19 for 2879 spins you had 110 hits = -2879 +3960 = +1081
Had you been betting the sector 15-19-4 for 2879 spins you had 285 hits = -8637 +10260 = +1623
Yes lower net in % of bet-amount but in the last 198 spins you hit 22 times (= +198) instead of 5 times on #19 (= -18)

I think it's worth following that sector.
Homeito Bemek
If Black has hit 30 times in a row there is both a possibility and a probability for it to hit again.
But maybe it is not very likely?

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Re: Under cover for the darkside
December 29, 2009, 01:52:52 PM
Good suggestion Homeito. :thumbsup:

You should probably consider that 3 pocket sector Bruce. Like I suggested, collect some data first to confirm 19 is still biased then look at the SD for that sector, if it still seems like a better proposition go for it.



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Re: Under cover for the darkside
January 02, 2010, 02:58:58 PM
Hi.How are you counting SD? I dont know if I am right but i think it could be this:

When i track 111 spins and number 13 has hit for 5 times its 111/100=1,11 =>  5/1,11=4,504 so this is 4,504% for number 13 and normaly is circa 2,7%.....than 4,5-2,7=1,8 and its +1,5 SD  ?


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Re: Under cover for the darkside
January 02, 2010, 03:05:07 PM
Hi bene,

Check Grabb's calculators here:


Use the bias calculator, or the Std Deviation calculator.

The latter gives:


1 numbers bet for 111 spins

5 hits = 1.1706281947614152 SD

So in this case, number 13 has a 1.17 SD


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Re: Under cover for the darkside
January 02, 2010, 03:28:55 PM
P.S. Technically this isn't the SD, it's the z-score.

If you want to learn the formula, you can find it here:




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Re: Under cover for the darkside
January 02, 2010, 06:20:00 PM
Thank you Marven.


  • Guest
Re: Under cover for the darkside
January 02, 2010, 09:14:25 PM

What is the expectations for draw-downs "fluctation" playing bias numbers?

I hope you do well :)



  • Guest
Re: Under cover for the darkside
January 09, 2010, 12:51:43 PM
Ok mates just back from Poland

new data is attached

soory for delay as i had no internet connection

thx too both if you,,,,,,to be honest ive just been beeting on 19 as the other neigbours really sleep for too long

i will later today post the latest from the wheel

ok mates got to go to go and many thx for your interest


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