A Sleeper of an idea

[Mr Chips]

Going through my worksheets an idea occurred to me and I have only briefly looked at it so don't know
if it's any good or not, but I liked the idea, so by all means have a look at it and see if you think it's
worth considering or improving on it in some way.
 
As we all know sleepers are notoriously difficult and your liable to run out of chips before they wake up!
   
If say there are 3 sleepers left, most times they will have numbers that have come in on either side on
the wheel e.g 25, 17, 34. 17 is the sleeper and 25 and 34 are numbers that have come in.
 
So this is the theme here, as soon as there is one space between two numbers on the wheel 11, ?, 8,
we make a note of ? = 30 and if it comes in that will be one of the numbers we will use .
 
The theory then is say after seven spins, we may say have noted #20. This will be considered a short
sleeper and as it has just had a nap lol, we will expect it to be an active number. We will want as many
short sleepers as possible, but as the session progresses the sleepers will transform into medium sleepers
and finally long sleepers, who knows when they will awake and they won't concern us here.
 
I worked through one complete session Spielbank-wiesbaden 5.12.08 and checked out a few others to see
if they produced short sleepers.
 
[table=,]
spins,,slps
17,,
25,,
23,,
6,,34
19,,
5,,10
3,,
10,,
14,,
28,,
20,,
34,,
21,,2,4
0,,26
7,,
8,,
2,,
29,,
3,,
1,,
15,,32
[/table]
 
It will soon be into the medium sleeper phase. If very few short sleepers appear then it is likely there will be
only the possibility of a small profit or may be accept a minimum loss if possible.
 
[disc]0,32,15,19,21,25,17,6,27,36,11,8,23,5,16,1,20,14,31,9,22,18,29,7,28,12,35,3[/disc]

There were nine numbers to note and there were a number of repeats from the short sleepers. When a number
hit I increased it by one unit, with a maximum of three units. It was a good session and at 79 spins the profit
was + 172.
 
I will take a further look at this idea soon and see how it checks out.
 
Mr Chips
 



 

[Mr Chips]

Worked through another session Spielbank-wiesbaden 1.12.08, more difficult than the previous session, but managed
to get a profit of +24 units with 103 spins. One short sleeper was really active #16 and it was a three unit bet and
made the profit.
 
When to exit a session is always a problem but common sense should dictate on most occasions. It was not an easy
session with few short sleeper hits, which is the main theme of this idea and therefore a small profit at 103 spins seems
a sound decision.
 
Mr Chips

[Mr Chips]

2.12.08, a really good session. A selection of hits from the short sleepers, but the outstanding number was #14, which
had two doubles and was a medium sleeper. Profit +107 from 82 spins.
 
Mr Chips

[Mr Chips]

3.12.08, first loss, -151 from 112 spins. There was some active short sleepers, but they came too late to recover
the loss. The number of losses and the size of the loss will decide if this was a viable idea.
 
4.12.08, not many hits, but managed to get a small profit of +19 from 100 spins.
 
[table=,]
Date,spins,+/-
1.12.08,103,+24
2.12,82,+107
3.12,112,-151
4.12,100,+19
5.12,79,+172
6.12,92,+90
[/table]
 

[VLSroulette]

Much interesting Idea Mr. Chips. Congrats for getting "back in the saddle"

Being this a mechanical selection might be interesting to see it coded!

Bliss? 

[Mr Chips]

Hi Victor,
 
This is very much at the idea stage and no where near a complete system.
 
Unfortunately I have a low opinion of certain so called programmers. I won't go into details here, as no doubt it will end
up in the pit, so I have drawn a line under it all and will be wiser in future.
 
Regards
 
Mr Chips
 

[Mr Chips]

I thought it wouldn't be too long before the session from hell appeared
 
It recovered sufficiently to come out with a loss of -109 from 116 spins. So thinking cap on and I will look at possible
improvements.

[Natural9]

Maybe a more hellish session will occur thing is will you be in enough profit if and when these occur The problem as always are the back to back to almost back to back hellish sessions

Maybe something like the Atilla progression might be an idea to look at

Regards Rodney

[Mr Chips]

Maybe a more hellish session will occur thing is will you be in enough profit if and when these occur The problem as always are the back to back to almost back to back hellish sessions

Maybe something like the Atilla progression might be an idea to look at

Regards Rodney

Hi Rodney,
I'm not that keen on progressions, but the good thing about hellish sessions at the idea stage is to get more ideas to try and
solve the problem.
 
Regards
 
Mr Chips

[Mr Chips]

I have thought of a way of expanding on my original idea and will see how it develops. It has turned the 3.12 loss of -151
into +27 from 102 spins.
 
The expanded idea is to have 3 columns A, B, C. A column is the number that creates the gap number e.g if there was 34,
?, 27, then ? is the missing number 6, as yet to come in and 27 next to it, which has just come in means the missing number
6 now has an adjacent number either side, which has appeared at least once. In this example then 27 is A, 6 is B, and 34 is C.
 
As soon as one of the numbers in the top chart comes in, it is noted in the chart below and the column which is in the lead,
those numbers are used to place the bets.
 
The charts are as follows:
 
[table=,]
A,B,C
4,19,15
22,9,31
13,27,6
18,29,7
10,5,24
0,26,3
2,21,4
12,28,7
12,35,3
34,17,25
8,30,11
1,33,16
[/table]
 
[table=,]
A,B,C
4,19,3
12,29,25
10,27,3
13,17,25
18,35,15
13,9,15
34,26,24
18,5,24
0,29,25
34,5,25
1,27,15
22,33,25
13,17,15
22,28,
2,27,
0,26,
1,27,
1,9,
4,19,
18,,
8,,
34,,
12,,
4,,
1,,
[/table]
 
The B column went into the lead and after a couple of changes the A column maintained the lead and eventually went into
profit. I will check out the previous above results and see what difference this expanded version makes. One good aspect
is sometimes numbers will be in say two columns and if the number is very active there is every chance that if the lead
column changes it will still have the active number.
 
Mr Chips

[Mr Chips]

I have made a good start with the expanded idea and will set out the results here. If I get close to +100 units I will
then exit at that point, just at this early stage.
 
[table=,]
Date,spins,+/-
1.12.08,54,+81
2.12,43,+85
3.12,102,+27
4.12,66,+37
5.12,57,+258
6.12,56,+38
[/table]

[The Spiders Kiss]

Changes are lookin good so far Mr Chips
regards
TSK

[Mr Chips]

Changes are lookin good so far Mr Chips
regards
The Spiders Kiss

Yes, I'm pleased with it so far, just waiting for the next session from hell, unless of course it turns out to be a HG 
 
Regards
 
Mr Chips

[Mr Chips]

[table=,]
Date,spins,+/-
7.12.08,97,-40
8.12,29,+94
9.12,58,+102
10.12,27,+84
11.12,81,+22
[/table]
 
As well as the current exit strategy of an exit at around +100, will also include a minimum loss exit around the 100 spins
of -50 approx.
 
Mr Chips

[The Spiders Kiss]

Hi mate
Using the table and figures in reply #9 can you explain a little more for me please as I dont get how the numbers fit in the table
Id like to maybe test it whilst playin
Thanks mate
TSK

[The Spiders Kiss]

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