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True about RNG's

Started by Mike.OFF, September 12, 2009, 06:11:38 PM

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Mike.OFF

Found on another forum. . .
Must be read by all of you  :)

Advice from a Software Engineer

Hi Folks,

First of all let me introduce myself.  I'm new here and I would like to give you my humble opinion about online gambling on roulette (Sorry for my bad english).  I'm graduated in Computer Science and System Engineer and in the last 8 years I've been developing software for several companies, including online casinos.  As you already know there're several types of RNG.  On the past almost all the online casinos were using Pseudo Random Number Generators (learn more in wikipedia).  PRNG output numbers based on known seeds (normally a date/time) and it's major flaw is that over time and with historical data you can predict what's the next number that the RNG will output.  Since this is a major flaw all the online casinos today moved away from PRNG to True Random Number Generators (if you're curious search Lava Rand in google ).  TRNG outputs numbers that isn't correlated with each other, which means that historical data means nothing.  a TRNG can output for instance the number 4 indefinitely. So said this I'm kind of risking my reputation with the information that I'll give you (I'll not tell names).  Most of the available online casinos doesn't play fair (as you guess it).  Online casinos are using Fixed True Random Number Generators, which means that if the casino is losing money they'll manipulate the draw number to not let you win.  Most of the time you're not sensible enough to notice that because the casino cannot win all the time so win from time to time.  What you must know is that online casinos stipulates a bar of gains (for month for instance) and never let the casino drop below that line.  So when the casino is winning money it progressively let you win some hands/money but in the end if the casino is losing you'll eventually lose all your money, because they'll fix the output.  Mind that what I'm saying is a very risk statement but I know what I'm talking about.  Almost all online casinos doesn't play fair for roulette.  So I'm sorry if I break your dream of getting rich gambling in online roulettes.  I'm a gambler too and I'm very interested in Cryptography and RNG.  So if you're the kind of person (like me) that loves to gamble I suggest that you do it in real casinos.  Why ? Simple croupiers can be studied, you can learn how the croupier spin the ball, how many times the ball spin after outputing a number and you can adjust your game to guess the numbers.

I hope that you're clever enough to take my advice in consideration and don't let yourself be fooled by online casinos.  I've participated in developing gambling software and I know what I'm talking about.

Thank you for the attention and time.

Bo0Merang

Hi  mike wery interesting  post i thing that most of  gamblers HOPE so  know  about this  and will be little  safe them  for   not  play  RNG

Spike

Just what I've been saying for years.

bliss

Hi Mike,

Thanks for your opinion.

QuoteAlmost all online casinos doesn't play fair for roulette.

Yes, it's called the house edge.  :)

QuoteSo when the casino is winning money it progressively let you win some hands/money but in the end if the casino is losing you'll eventually lose all your money, because they'll fix the output.

I don't buy into this. I've no personal experience of it and without hard evidence I've no intention of buying into it. Whenever I play online I always keep a log of the outcomes and analyze them for fairness using several sophisticated statistical tests, I've yet to see any evidence whatsoever of foul play.

QuoteOnline casinos are using Fixed True Random Number Generators, which means that if the casino is losing money they'll manipulate the draw number to not let you win.

This is a very serious accusation. Have you posted on the casinomeister forum? I'm sure they would be very interested to get some details.

QuoteWhat you must know is that online casinos stipulates a bar of gains (for month for instance) and never let the casino drop below that line.

Most supposedly reputable online casinos are audited by a third party. If what you say is true then this anomaly would certainly be noticed and action taken.


pins

as roulette can not be beaten how would the casino lose. live dealers or not the results are the same. how can you guess where the ball will land. you could have a hundred or more guesses and not pick a winner,somedays winning is easy. and some days you lose the lot.

Proofreaders2000

Hello Mike.OFF.  I believe what you say about RNGs to be true (That's why there are so many RNG casinos.)  Online live wheels (from my experience) I believe to be fixed as well.  Land based are the way to go (cautiously).

Lulloz

The options are 2...

1) This is not true.

2) This is true but they don't care how much i win or my wins are too small for this kind of control.

Anyway, i like rng and with money management can be used to make good profit.

m0Fo

Hi everybody, my first post. .

So, a quick one, what casinos do you play on Bliss?

Quote from: Bliss link=topic=12174. msg77585#msg77585 date=1252836223
Hi Mike,

Thanks for your opinion

Yes, it's called the house edge.   :)

I don't buy into this.  I've no personal experience of it and without hard evidence I've no intention of buying into it.  Whenever I play online I always keep a log of the outcomes and analyze them for fairness using several sophisticated statistical tests, I've yet to see any evidence whatsoever of foul play.

This is a very serious accusation.  Have you posted on the casinomeister forum? I'm sure they would be very interested to get some details. 

Most supposedly reputable online casinos are audited by a third party.  If what you say is true then this anomaly would certainly be noticed and action taken. 



Number Six

I don't believe a word of it. It's pure conjecture. People who complain about fixed RNGs are people who lose because their system crashed. Why is that so hard to accept? I have won enough from RNGs to satisfy my own theories that they are fair. There are obviously some rogue casinos who do blatantly cheat by paying out less than they should, but they always get caught by the authorities because, as Bliss says, they are audited regularly to ensure their payouts are at acceptable levels. All RNGs are programmed to pay out in the region of 97.3%. What is the big deal? They always win anyway. Sure, they could cheat the auditors by doctoring their accounts, but in a sane world you aren't going to risk your whole enterprise for the sake of a few thousand chips.

This debate will go on for ever until someone comes forward with EVIDENCE that a BIG online casino cheats. But no one will do that. They don't cheat, most people just can't beat them.

bliss

Well said Number Six, my thoughts exactly.

Quote from: M0FoSo, a quick one, what casinos do you play on Bliss?

I have accounts at 32red, bet365, blue square, and Betvoyager. Betvoyager is the only one that hasn't been accredited by casinomeister, but I've had no problems with it.

Come on guys, use your common sense and do your "due diligence", but to dismiss all online casinos as crooks is paranoid nonsense.

hideseek

I agree with #6. No one hear could beat RX convincingly. Then how r u going to beat casino's RNG. Anyway any thought about Bally's Rapid roulette?

Jakkalsdraai

No. 6 you are the one telling everyone that systems do not work. Fair enough. In that case how can you say that people losing on rng are people who's systems do not work? Sory to say this to you but you must be a total idiot (or a online casino rep) if you for one instance believe that rng is fair. I believe what Mike is saying. What he forgot to tell you is that rng is programmed to pick up progressions. Why do you think casino's can have these min/max 10c min per number and $400 max per number. No BM casino will give you that spread.................wonder why? If you tell me that you are beating rng consistently and clearly are profitting ....... then you are just talking to the birds.

I personally have won on rng. Almost everytime. Then up to a point then it get's impossible. Funny. (yes the reason might be what Mike was referring to) Funny thing is that if I had 10k and started of on 10c bets I promise you I will lose on a progression and after that the very next spin my number will come in lol......get real.

6, let's face it mate you like to be in the middle of the spotlight. Whatever the topic is....you will be on the opposite side.

Number Six

This debate gets under my skin. I don't put myself in the spotlight, I hardly even visit this forum any more. I'm just sick of all this ignorance and stupidity. No one has any evidence that online casinos cheat. You are just a bunch of sore losers who don't know the first thing about the stochastic process.

Jakkalsdraai, I have won thousands of ££ in one sitting from an RNG before. I witnessed a friend of mine, in a drunken trance, win £10000 from a £500 bankroll. That was on a playtech casino. You are paranoid and spreading delusions, making accusations and issuing theories that quite frankly I find incredibly stupid. If you think RNGs are fixed, then don't play them. When is someone going to come forward and offer some credible evidence? Never, because there isn't any.

What he forgot to tell you is that rng is programmed to pick up progressions.
Show me some effing evidence...?

And accusing me of being a casino agent is a grave insult and another statement I find utterly stupid. I'll know to avoid you from now on. Moron.

Spike

All I can say is this. I win on a real wheel on a regular basis. I can win on an RNG that isn't connected to a casino. I cannot EVER win on an RNG at an online casino. You figure it out.

Diarmaid

Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on September 13, 2009, 08:46:00 AM
Hello Mike.OFF.  I believe what you say about RNGs to be true (That's why there are so many RNG casinos.)  Online live wheels (from my experience) I believe to be fixed as well.  Land based are the way to go (cautiously).

lol, LIVE WHEELS ARE FIXED TOO,

You should give up roulette mate.

Diarmaid

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