Electronic roulette (rng's)

[cps10]

no matter spreadsheet is not allowed, you can always play at home and playing on Dublinbet is almost like playing in real casino, so it will be ok  


you can send me your progressions and i'll do some more tests myself, you are right when you said that this system has merit, it definitely does...just necessary to overcome drawbacks when long losing streaks happen...


Cheers!

arigazzo,

I am using a different bet selection for this. If you look at the post I made last week concerning "more is better", that is how I am approaching it. If there is a vague selection in the 2nd column or at the top or bottom of the board, I am using more numbers to allow me to win without going too far down the progression. I've found that it helps out a lot.

[cps10]

Hi,
I am working on a system where a losing progression will be "absorbed" in the future bets. This will be done in software that I am letting someone write for me. The thing is it gets fairly complicated if you have several losing streeks close after each other.
I am approaching this as a sort of mortgage which has to be paid of in future bets.
I noticed that approximately 4 out of 40 spins will initiate a progression longer than 5 spins.
I will let you all know how it goes.

regards,


metalrat

Thanks metalrat...sounds intriguing. I look forward to your findings.

[arigazzo]

ah yes...i remember.
definitely 'more is always better' (but then you win less on hit), and sometimes simply it won't come for long...and i still haven't figured out why this happens...

no matter spreadsheet is not allowed, you can always play at home and playing on Dublinbet is almost like playing in real casino, so it will be ok  


you can send me your progressions and i'll do some more tests myself, you are right when you said that this system has merit, it definitely does...just necessary to overcome drawbacks when long losing streaks happen...


Cheers!

arigazzo,

I am using a different bet selection for this. If you look at the post I made last week concerning "more is better", that is how I am approaching it. If there is a vague selection in the 2nd column or at the top or bottom of the board, I am using more numbers to allow me to win without going too far down the progression. I've found that it helps out a lot.

[cps10]

ah yes...i remember.
definitely 'more is always better' (but then you win less on hit), and sometimes simply it won't come for long...and i still haven't figured out why this happens...

That is true...however, I would rather have a hit than a loss, in my opinion.

Besides, I have more aggressive progressions included that would have you win MORE than you would otherwise.

[arigazzo]

Did you have any bigger drawbacks during play, sessions that finish in loss, or times when progression went too big and your whole bank was at risk?

[bobco]

Hello,
Cps, what is your bet selection, dozens? and what progression do you use?  I have tested this with live spins and I'm not that convinced. A total of about 90 spins I tested. Longest streak without hitting the same dozen was 9. But with this it feels like it's not impossible to go up to 15  or even more without a hit. A bigger bankroll with a longer progression possible  is also taking a bigger risk.  Hitting the same number it don't seem to do often, but the tests spins are too few. 2 times are not that much however. Hitting 'about' the same number isn't that good either.
Look at this:
Prediction      Correct
1                      18
2                       19
29                    23
28                       3
7                      27
35                     21
26                    21
5                      28
16                      0
0 (no play on
dozen)                 21

Even if you use live spins it don't feel that good but I welcome any other to possible improve it.

Thank you!

[cps10]

@ arigazzo

So far, there has been very little drawdown in respect to my entire bankroll. However, as Victor has said before, the unexpected CAN and WILL happen. Hopefully you aren't at the table when that happens. That being said, no, my entire bank has not been in jeopardy YET, and I play till I get a win, so I have not lost a session yet. Now, if you were to reduce your bankroll, and play only an 8-spin progression, for example, you will get losing sessions. That's just the facts.


@ bobco

Happy New Year, mate! If you look at the scenarios that I proposed to Lohnro, then you will see how I am selecting my numbers. In your example, I would say this is my bet selection:

Prediction 1  - play 0 00 1 2 3 4 5 6 (8 numbers in a progression)
Prediction 2 - same play
Prediction 29 - 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 (9 numbers in a progression)
Prediction 28 - 25 26 28 29 31 32 (6 numbers in a progression)
Prediction 7 - 4 5 7 8 10 11 (6 numbers in a progression)
Prediction 35 - 31 32 33 34 35 36 (6 numbers in a progression)
Prediction 26 - 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 (9 numbers in a progression)
Prediction 5 - 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 (9 numbers in a progression)
Prediction 16 - 13 14 16 17 19 20 (6 numbers in a progression)
Prediction 0 - 0 00 1 2 3 (5 numbers in a progression)

Hope this helps. I am now preaching the "More is Better" routine!

[cps10]

Here is a test run of some actual numbers that I have, and tell you what I do:

26 <--- track
30 <--- track
6 <--- track
3 <--- Prediction 4 (play 1 2 4 5 7 8 in a 6-number progression)
31
9
2 <--- WIN (+18 units) now Prediction 20 (play 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 in a 9-number progression)
7
3
8
20 <--- WIN (+27 units; +45 units total) now Prediction 28 (play 25 26 28 29 31 32 in a 6-number progression)
31 <--- WIN (+30 units; +75 units total) now Prediction 7 (play 4 5 7 8 10 11 in a 6-number progression)
20
25
5 <--- WIN (+18 units; +93 units total) now Prediction 7 (play 4 5 7 8 10 11 in a 6-number progression)
17
6
33
3
26
17
30
35
12
16
15
5 <--- WIN (+24 units; +117 units total; this was largest drawdown of 156 units so far) now play Prediction 12 (play 8 9 11 12 14 15 in a 6-number progression)
8 <--- WIN (+30 units; +147 units total) now Prediction 9 (play 5 6 8 9 11 12 in a 6-number progression)
19
21
16
21
13
26
25
33
8 <--- WIN (+24 units; +171 units total) now Prediction 17 (play 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 in a 9-number progression)
16 <--- WIN (+27 units; +198 units total) now Prediction 25 (play 22 23 25 26 28 29 in a 6-number progression)
30
21
0
34
4
30
34
00
34
27
1
25 <--- WIN (+24 units; +222 units overall) again, largest drawdown of 156 units; 12 spins between

This isnt bad. Anybody wanting the spreadsheet of Progressions, just send me your email address.

@ gizmo - can you send your email to me? I got your note, but couldn't respond.

50 spins and 222 units

[cps10]

The above was playing a basic progression that allows you to win playing single numbers on any hit. I have different types of progressions available though. If I had played super aggressive, my largest drawdown would have been 636 units, but my wins would have been several hundred more units (in fact, it would have been [size=16]723 units[/size]!!)

[admin]

Anybody wanting the spreadsheet of Progressions, just send me your email address.

I can host it @ the downloads section keith, make it reach me

[Agent]

Hello fellas.  I am new to the forum and new to playing roulette and am glad to be here.  I have played online poker for several years with a lot of success and decided to take a shot w/ online roulette.  I quickly learned the hard way that roulette software, most at least won't work in the long run

I have been learning a lot and learning very quickly.  I came across this system before finding this great forum.  I have been testing it for about 5 days now.  I have over 600 spins in using the system.  I must agree with most of the members in that it works.  Only question is for how long on the RNGs?  Hopefully it will work in the long run at RNGs for real money.  I, like I'm sure most of us have my doubts, so we will see.  Being in the US it is RNGs or nothing for me, so I'm willing test as many systems as possible to try and find a winner, if one is out there.  It's good to see so many people testing the system and sharing ideas.  I am also testing Reverse Roulette using Roulette Sniper to generate my bets.  I have had marginal success with this strategy.  I myself have tested the system (RSW) from this thread on both French and Euro Roulette and have had great success (in play money).  It's only play money I know....... Unfortunately, I don't have my spreadsheet on me (I'm at work - shame on me) so I can't post my exact stats right now, but I believe I am up about 650 units ($1/unit) using the system.  I only bet dozens like some of the members and have been using a dozen progression.  From my experience the most of the bets hit w/in 5-6 spins.  I have had progressions of 10 or higher only about 8 times if I remember correctly and only two of 10 or higher at a time < 50 spins for the session.  

I would like to minimize my risk in the future and only but up to 6 progressions, like several of the members have suggested, just don't want to be risking half my bankroll on one spin.  

I really like metalrat's idea.....please keep us posted bro.  The best strategy I can think of off the top of my head is that after a losing progression of 6 for the next two progression bets double your progression amount (ie start w/ 2 instead of 1).  Do this for two progressions.  If you win both go back down to your original progression.  If you lose one of the two up your progression amount this time, except by a factor of 3.  If you win both go back down to your original progression.  If you lose QUIT and play another day.  Any suggestions or comments.? I'm sure some of the vets can find an issue w/ this strategy.  I'm all ears. Thanks fellas!

[Drogan]

My goodness what an active thread this has become in my absence. Always good to hear how other players are doing.

Almost finished with the progressions. I will be glad to send them to anybody who wants them. They are interesting to say the least. However, you will need to have a proper bankroll or you should at least look for some sort of stop-loss in the progressions.

Cps,

I would most definitely be interested in getting those progressions. Thanks! And I am very intrigued by the "more is always better" theory.

I am working on a system where a losing progression will be "absorbed" in the future bets. This will be done in software that I am letting someone write for me. The thing is it gets fairly complicated if you have several losing streeks close after each other.
I am approaching this as a sort of mortgage which has to be paid of in future bets.
I noticed that approximately 4 out of 40 spins will initiate a progression longer than 5 spins.
I will let you all know how it goes.

regards,


metalrat

Wow! Great Metalrat! Every little edge helps.


And just to throw in my own two cents worth......I have been using this system on columns instead of dozens. The columns come in even quicker. I have not had to wait more than 6 spins. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

[cps10]

I have sent the spreadsheet(s) to Victor to post on the site. If you guys would prefer it emailed to you, I will gladly do so.

[arigazzo]

Mate, I suggest you to try to find some live wheel casino that accepts US players and to try you luck there...I'm simply not convinced that RNG's are fair, anyone who has played a bit can vitness...

So with any system you use - just for a short time, and when you're in significant plus ruuuuun; you can also try to withdraw part of the amount and than return to play later and see how it goes..


Cheers!

Hello fellas.  I am new to the forum and new to playing roulette and am glad to be here.  I have played online poker for several years with a lot of success and decided to take a shot w/ online roulette.  I quickly learned the hard way that roulette software, most at least won't work in the long run

I have been learning a lot and learning very quickly.  I came across this system before finding this great forum.  I have been testing it for about 5 days now.  I have over 600 spins in using the system.  I must agree with most of the members in that it works.  Only question is for how long on the RNGs?  Hopefully it will work in the long run at RNGs for real money.  I, like I'm sure most of us have my doubts, so we will see.  Being in the US it is RNGs or nothing for me, so I'm willing test as many systems as possible to try and find a winner, if one is out there.  It's good to see so many people testing the system and sharing ideas.  I am also testing Reverse Roulette using Roulette Sniper to generate my bets.  I have had marginal success with this strategy.  I myself have tested the system (RSW) from this thread on both French and Euro Roulette and have had great success (in play money).  It's only play money I know....... Unfortunately, I don't have my spreadsheet on me (I'm at work - shame on me) so I can't post my exact stats right now, but I believe I am up about 650 units ($1/unit) using the system.  I only bet dozens like some of the members and have been using a dozen progression.  From my experience the most of the bets hit w/in 5-6 spins.  I have had progressions of 10 or higher only about 8 times if I remember correctly and only two of 10 or higher at a time < 50 spins for the session.  

I would like to minimize my risk in the future and only but up to 6 progressions, like several of the members have suggested, just don't want to be risking half my bankroll on one spin.  

I really like metalrat's idea.....please keep us posted bro.  The best strategy I can think of off the top of my head is that after a losing progression of 6 for the next two progression bets double your progression amount (ie start w/ 2 instead of 1).  Do this for two progressions.  If you win both go back down to your original progression.  If you lose one of the two up your progression amount this time, except by a factor of 3.  If you win both go back down to your original progression.  If you lose QUIT and play another day.  Any suggestions or comments.? I'm sure some of the vets can find an issue w/ this strategy.  I'm all ears. Thanks fellas!

[Agent]

Thanks for the advice gazzo  8-)  Damn RNGs.......  Do you know of any live casinos that accept US players?  The only one that I have come across is riverbelle casino.  They do not adverse it anywhere on the site, but I read in a review that they do offer live play for US customers.  So, I'm not 100% sure.  However, I was informe today that live casino play is illegal in the US, so I might be out of luck.

[Agent]

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