Herb's (Snowman) Testing of my computer

[I have cookies]

Not a problem. Keep it simple, to the point, keep pride out of it, and follow a logical progression of questions and answers, and keep an open mind... then you'll come to the conclusion that your negative opinion of me is based on assumptions, inaccurate and/or incomplete information, and general ignorance. How do I know this? Because I know my own business.

The first issue I have and as u put it - u know how to run u businnes.

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/gambling-and-roulette-related/free-roulette-wheel-analysis-software/

This teach no body anything about the game and my opinion is just a way to milk money out of pepole.
The point is that there is a difference to teach and to milk money out of pepoles lack of knowledge.

That is issue one.

Example with out any need to prove my point is that I could among others offering any one to send us data wish we could verify if it is a false positive and due to random fluctuation or if it is a true bias.
Then we could do a deal wish is that two of us split the risk and winnings.

As u notice that is with out to teach some one anything - but is based upon knowledge and math wish is based upon the best there is when it comes to beat modern wheels with bias with out defect spoting.


So what it comes down to with this simple example that u prove noting to hold this knowledge u just offering u service with out to prove that there is ponitential to find true bias and not end up with a trap wish is a false positive.

In relation to this we can mention Forester at myrulet wish teach and offer explanation and not offer a service wish milk pepole on money.
He has a nice section with a VB method and DS wish novice pepole can learn from and that is just among other good things.
He speak about the game and put up with charts and explanations and help pepole and introduce them to what it is all about.

That is a good sign.

This is about how you use your knowledge and name when u run a businnes and show a variations of spectrum of colours wish lead to if or if not u are a clown.

This is just a simple impression on a low level.

O_o

[GogoCro]

I have sugestion, instal VPN and Herb can look every day on his own PC what is going on.
VPN has 2 settings;
1. Remotly ful acces of Steve pc
2. Only to look what Steve is doing without access (monitoring only)

Also, I have opinion on roulette computers and other helping devices.
We can draw a pararel:
I sell magic helping box with varius sensors what have color leds and beeps.
Buyer if wins he must send me 50% of his winnings.
Well, thats how this "ilusion" works..selling luck. Is a buyer sure that device helped him or is it only being lucky?
And buyer can not tell anybody that he purchased device.
Is roulette computer sellers selling luck?

[I have cookies]

Well are we going to continue this or not ?

O_o

[Steve]

Relax cookies, I dont live at my computer.

Firstly Gogocro, your suggestion is just impractical for the same reasons I explained to herb, and it's not even needed unless you think I have the ability to change the casino's log files. And besides, there's no way I'd give anyone access to see what I do on my computer 24/7 or at any time. As for roulette computers, if you dont believe they are effective, so be it.

Cookies, see my response below in blue:

The first issue I have and as u put it - u know how to run u businnes.

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/gambling-and-roulette-related/free-roulette-wheel-analysis-software/

This teach no body anything about the game and my opinion is just a way to milk money out of pepole.

Ok so giving people FREE software to conduct a proper bias analysis is milking people of money. I'm not sure your point is good.


The point is that there is a difference to teach and to milk money out of pepoles lack of knowledge.

That is issue one.

Your argument is ridiculous. So I give away free software to milk people of money. Hmm.

Example with out any need to prove my point is that I could among others offering any one to send us data wish we could verify if it is a false positive and due to random fluctuation or if it is a true bias.
Then we could do a deal wish is that two of us split the risk and winnings.

Do you have my bias analysis software? Until you do, you are in no position to judge. Have I ever taught you bias analysis? Until I do, you are in no position to judge.

As u notice that is with out to teach some one anything - but is based upon knowledge and math wish is based upon the best there is when it comes to beat modern wheels with bias with out defect spoting.

Read my above statement. Then read my earlier statement about ignorance. You dont know what you're talking about.

So what it comes down to with this simple example that u prove noting to hold this knowledge u just offering u service with out to prove that there is ponitential to find true bias and not end up with a trap wish is a false positive.

Again, you know nothing about what I teach.

In relation to this we can mention Forester at myrulet wish teach and offer explanation and not offer a service wish milk pepole on money.

What do you think nolinks.genuinewinner.com/truth.html is? Why do you think I try to explain to people on my forums why things like progression dont work?

And cookies, forester sells a device for almost $2000 and it takes him about an hour to assemble. It costs him no more than $100 for time and parts. His not running a business?

As for what he teaches at his site, it is straight out of laurence scott's book. Why dont you go and make money with it? Or perhaps what I said about modern casino conditions is accurate. Maybe get his ffa and make some money, but then you realize you cant on the average wheel with it. See nolinks.roulettecomputers.com/comparison.htm so you understand the differences between a computer for modern conditions to deal with scatter and variation of ball behavior, and a 2 second coding job.

He has a nice section with a VB method and DS wish novice pepole can learn from and that is just among other good things.

Yes, for novices. I can explain what his computer does AND his vb methods in a paragraphs. And I've never heard of anyone achieving sustained winnings with either his impractical vb methods, or his simplistic devices.

He speak about the game and put up with charts and explanations and help pepole and introduce them to what it is all about.

That is a good sign.

...and again, I've never heard of anyone achieving sustained winnings with either his impractical vb methods, or his simplistic devices.

This is about how you use your knowledge and name when u run a businnes and show a variations of spectrum of colours wish lead to if or if not u are a clown.

Your english and points are all over the place. Your logic is unsound, and you really dont know what you're talking about. honestly I thought you would come up with something at least remotely more sound that this.

This is just a simple impression on a low level.

Yes, it is a simple impression on a low level. Please dont waste my time with it. Keep it to yourself. Usually people start off with their best points - maybe you started on the wrong end. If that's the kind of rubbish that gives you a low opinion of me, just please wake up. But I have extensive experience in dealing with people that have unsound logic, so perhaps just go away because I cant progress with someone who doesnt see past their nose

[Herb6]

Steve,

At the end of the test will you provide me with the password to the account so that I can review the betting history?
Will this history show the bets on the numbers as they were made and the amounts bet on each of the numbers?


I DO know the user name that you have sent me.    Of course, I don't have any way to monitor the activity of the user name until after the test.

-Herb

[Steve]

At the end of the test will you provide me with the password to the account so that I can review the betting history?

YES

Will this history show the bets on the numbers as they were made and the amounts bet on each of the numbers?

YES

I DO know the user name that you have sent me.

Excellent then.

Of course, I don't have any way to monitor the activity of the user name until after the test.

Not during, but you will see the entire account history - right down to individual bets. Everything can be viewed by date, so you'll know if I used an ancient account, or if the winnings are from today onwards. I have test accounts and had no problem building to the required bankroll and the patterns are sound, but the account you know of is financial with real money.

How would you like to proceed with the roulette computer? Testing everything you need should take perhaps 1 hour. As I keep saying, I'm only interested in you confirming my claims and refuting bullsh*t. I have no interest in showing every little thing.

Depending on where you are, I could send a partner to meet you with a computer and you can do whatever tests you need in front of him.

[Herb6]

Regarding the online testing:

What is your starting bankroll?
What is the amount you plan opn trying to win?  Is it 30k?

Regarding the RC:

I'm in the US.

-Herb

[Steve]

For that information I'll send a PM but please keep it private (PM sent now). You'll see every little detail in the transaction history though. Also where in the USA? Just city name is fine.

[Herb6]

Platte City, Missouri.

[Steve]

Will have to see who I know in that area but it's kind in the middle of nowhere.

Alternatively I just send you a minimal build with only the components you need. I'll also send you a test dvd with perfectly level wheel which will be needed for realistic results. If you use a wheel with tilt, the decel curve is wavey, which leads to a larger spread. You'll find if you use the same diamond, predictions are comfortably within 3 pocket arc. Switch to another diamond, then it may be a few pockets off the original diamond, but close together for same diamond. You dont get that effect on a level wheel unless there is improper calibration.

[GogoCro]

It was only sugestion since herb wanted to do only some kind of live test. You do not have to gove full access of your computer. Herb can see on his monitor when you log into casino and show him transaction history or even more if he desire, so only when you log in casino and he can not do nothing in your computer only to look what you see on the screen.
In my personal opinion your sugestion to provide him password so herb can see all transactions history is enough, so do not get me wrong.

You steve made this challange public. Why starting bankroll and estimate of winnings is a secret?

[Steve]

It is not a secret, I just dont want it revealed until the end for reasons I wont explain until later. People not knowing it until later makes no difference to the outcome or integrity of the challenge.

[GogoCro]

Fine Steve, you know better how to act in challangee and I admit that you have to be a careful.
I wish you all the best in challange and eager to see result.

[Steve]

Herb, I'm still waiting for your shipping address. Please provide it so we can proceed.

[Mr J]

"Your credibility should really boost his sales" >>> Funny you mention that. In the last two years, you would be surprised how many roulette systems (for sale), so-n-so wanted me to attach MY NAME to it. I said no to all offers. Not many, around five.  Ken

[Mr J]

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