Kens idea

[Steve]

Ray, you seem to always have something to complain about, and tend to have mixed-up logic.

The part of my text you quoted can be summarized as follows:

1. Dont threaten me

2. If you are banned, it is because in my view, you are degrading the forum. See the forum rules. Is it really unreasonable to ask things to be constructive in what you say? That's what you seem to be saying.

3. If you are a sh*t stirrer, you will be banned. There is a big difference between legitimate opposing viewpoints, and plain sh*t stirring with personal attacks. You as an adult would know the difference - I'm not an idiot.

I suppose you think personal attacks should be allowed? I suppose you think everyone should be allowed to attack each other without reasonable cause? I suppose you think I should do nothing about it? The fact is without moderation of both posts and banning repeat offenders who troll or disrupt a forum's progress, any forum will turn into an immature bickering match.

Can you agree to disagree and be civil to people? I can, and I do it all the time. I dont lose sleep over it. If I was a member reading all this, I would think "no problems he wants to keep the forum free of bickering, so it's a friendly and productive forum".... DONT MAKE THINGS ANY MORE COMPLICATED THAN THEY ARE.

Like I said many times, it is fine and normal to disagree with someone. But when people have fake names / secondary accounts, constantly attack and aggravate people just because they disagree with them and so on, that is not acceptable. Is it too much to ask people to be constructive? Should I let it go on? You seem to think so.

Now to address your text:

1. Banning people has nothing to do with disagreements.

2. Spamming is not tolerated. It is fine to post something off-topic once in a while as long as isnt spam, or interrupts a thread beyond reason.

3. Where do you see me spamming? There are ads on the forum because I own it. Why on earth would I need to spam?

4. Nonsense I'll ban people than say what they think is the truth. I disagree with people all the time, but it doesn't mean I ban them. Ken is one of the people who is against AP and we disagree about it strongly, but it makes ZERO difference. My decision to make him a mod is based solely on the facts that he is here often, and that I believe he will be able to enforce the basic rules which exist to benefit the forum.

5. Me saying you are inexperienced is my opinion, and I believe it to be true. So you believe I'm a scammer - whoopie. So we disagree.And it means what?

6. What questions didnt I answer? I probably didnt even see them. Dont assume I read every single post. the only sure way to get any answer is to ask me directly - best via email or at least PM.

7. Sure if you are selling something, you can expect to be attacked. But the only kind of attacks that are permitted are constructive questions and points, not "oh you scamming dog".

8. Leave the T-shirt idea alone. I'm trademarked.

On the whole Ray, if you dont like the idea of basic moderation, just post elsewhere. This is a forum to discuss roulette. You do not live here. I will enforce the basic rules because they keep the forum productive. Read the rules. You tell me what is so wrong with them. if you agree with them, but just think they are not being enforced correctly, then be specific about your complaint - i mean give precise details, not a vague complaint. Then if there is a problem, it will be addressed. There is no big drama here so dont make it out to be one.

[Boo_Ray]

Finaly I must say that I agree on most of these... My previous post was made because I had a fealing that banning people was very much directed to me....

Ray, you seem to always have something to complain about, and tend to have mixed-up logic.

2. Spamming is not tolerated. It is fine to post something off-topic once in a while as long as isnt spam, or interrupts a thread beyond reason.

3. Where do you see me spamming? There are ads on the forum because I own it. Why on earth would I need to spam?

My logic is not so mixed-up as you think... Maybe it is better to say that you have "diferent" logic than me so maybe you dont understeand some of my posts..

2. I would like to alert that Mr J is spamming the board with mostly offstopic posts.. 50% or more of his posts are offtopic or he is quoting the offtopic part of posts then triggering offtopic conversation... And he is officialy unable to press "modify" or "quote" button.. quoteing is not such a problem... But he should learn to use "modify" instead of double or triplepost because he forgot to write something before.. These were issues that I once put them out in nice and polite way but if he doesn't get it I have to somehow explain that to him...

3. After my last conflict with you I don't see you spamming anymore and I told you that part wasn't directed on you.. With that I was mostly aiming for mr Js offtopic spam and his overall spam, just because he has to write something..because he must have atleast 5 replyes in every post... and mostly 2  following his own post.. and ofcourse some braggers like gizmo and alabalaha or something who came up with some ideas about beating the random... then selling some already well known crap... and I adressed that problem because you are looking at me like I have mixed up logic..

My idea here is that NO selling is allowed... Either PUT UP OR SHUT UP... you have your adds if you want and you also have a whole website about your sys and comps... but nothing inside the forum should be about selling and leading to that part.. because people get scammed! Someone came up with idea that he has winning system but he wont tell because it would crash the game of roulette.. casinos will never have roulettes... everyone knows that is not reality and ofcourse he must be full of shit just because he wants to sell something... So eliminate people like that and arguing will be stoped and forum will be more productive...

And just one more thing... I never created any second accounts or fake names.. Because I am not affraid to speak in my own name...

[Mr J]

"I would like to alert that Mr J is spamming the board with mostly offstopic posts.. 50% or more of his posts are offtopic or he is quoting the offtopic part of posts then triggering offtopic conversation" >>> This I STILL dont understand. Lets say I quote something and have a question about it or my opinion etc.

If I am doing this on the SAME thread as the person I am quoting and have a RIGHT to ask something, your definition of 'spamming' and 'off topic' is CRAZY. Also, 'triggering' conversation?? lol To be consistent, wouldn't that person responding to me ALSO be off topic? Can I get an example or two of this infraction on my part Boo Ray?

Steve touched on it and so did I in the last 48 hours......the reason you dont like Steves tougher rules and my idea of self moderating is because it takes away your ABILITY to argue! There are maybe 7 posters here that would be LOST if they could not slam others. Think of all the extra free time they would have.  Ken

[mistarlupo]

Truth is born of arguments.

[bombus]

Truth is born of arguments.

Touché.

[Steve]

I have a lovely bunch of coconuts. if anyone wants to complain about anything, you need to be specific. I mean give actual posts and full details. It doesn't help to say this person did or that.

Obvious scammers/spammers are banned. For example, freaks like ceh. Let's use gizmo as an example. I dont know him or anything about him. Do I think he's a scammer? I have no idea. I really dont know anything about him. It is wrong to assume, but history tells us if we assume a seller is a scammer, we're ALMOST always correct. Statistically, he would be a scammer (system seller), but there are exceptions. Rather than censor something potentially legit, in my view it's better for the forum to hear both sides, and decide for themselves as adults. If it becomes nuisance selling and spam, then of course it wont be tolerated, but members need to REPORT IT. Moderators cant read everything, so we rely on member reporting.

Another example is alabalah - I gave him the chance, despite all the red flags. He turned out to be more trash - 100% scammer, who now spams RF under fake names (probably more for revenge). It passed the point where it was "beyond reasonable doubt" then it got even clearer. Really though he shouldnt have lasted as long as he did,

There needs to be balance between free speech (which is what a forum needs),  protecting members from scams, and allowing the rare exception sellers to bring things to member attention (very low priority though). Either way the forum rules are made public, and it's not hard to enforce them although lines do need to be clearer

[Mr J]

"Truth is born of arguments" >>> This is interesting, its kind of phase 2 of agreeing with me. >> "Well Ken, YES we argue but its needed....."


"Another example is alabalah" >>> I called that one.  I wonder what my percent is for guessing correctly? (and I do mean guessing EARLY) Combining past guesses with POSSIBLE future guesses of being correct? I bet its around 90%......10% wrong.  Ken

[Boo_Ray]

I have to agree with steve here


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Mr J I was trying to tell you step by spet thru the posts... and I gave you million examples and I will give you another one... Fist lets learn the basics: "modify" and "quote" function...

Okey here is example 1

Look where you just made 2 posts following each other
here

and here

and here

and here

These are 4 exaples in first 2pages of this topic.... Do you wan't more?
Here it is a solution for your problem.... Introducing the magic "modify" button!

When you master that option lets move on to "quote" button..
With that button you wouldn't be spotted by 500km radius that you are a typical GG user and you will in fact look like average VLSroulette.com member..
here you press it...

Then you get text like these and everything between those "quote" tags will be quoted

And WOILAAA


Okay I am done... here is something for you to learn... When you absolutely master these tehniques we will go for the next step.. Staying ONtopic.. which is esential for not to go offtopic and messing up the tread... But these two are a little harder to explain and in fact there is no foolproof method around, if I can't help you then it is not completely on me...

regards
ray

[Mr J]

If somebody needs to stay on topic, its you. I did NOT say I dont know how to use the quote function, I choose not to. I dont have to use it, correct? Same thing with modify. Where did I say.....hey Boo Ray, can you teach me how to use a couple of the functions? When did I ask for your help, I must of missed that. Sooo, back to square ONE >>>

"I would like to alert that Mr J is spamming the board with mostly offstopic posts.. 50% or more of his posts are offtopic or he is quoting the offtopic part of posts then triggering offtopic conversation" >>> This I STILL dont understand. Lets say I quote something and have a question about it or my opinion etc.

If I am doing this on the SAME thread as the person I am quoting and have a RIGHT to ask something, your definition of 'spamming' and 'off topic' is CRAZY. Also, 'triggering' conversation?? lol To be consistent, wouldn't that person responding to me ALSO be off topic? Can I get an example or two of this infraction on my part Boo Ray? Ken

[NS]

hahahah

BooRay, thanks for the forum posting lesson to Mr J, he sure needs it.

[Mr J]

Lets try this again hotshot. If I want to quote someone like this >> "   "   That is MY choice, not Boo Rays choice, correct? I'm not asking you regarding 'forum features' nor do I care to ask you. So now that you cant ARGUE as much as you want, you shift gears to 'forum features'? lol Is there anything in your head at all regarding roulette?

[Mr J]

Ok, I looked at reply 2 and 3 (I cant believe I'm wasting my time doing this). 35 minutes APART, a different thought LATER on the subject so I added a post, so what? Boo Ray, this is what you spend your time on? This is your NEW crusade against me? Ken

[Boo_Ray]

AND AGAIN YOU DOUBLEPOST and that quoting... You are hopeless realy... And it is 10minutes apart... OMG you should see a doctor realy

[NS]

This is funny.

[Mr J]

Ummm, ok....hopeless etc. Thats neat, are we done or does this continue? You know where my moneys at.   I said it before (oh oh, a double post) if you take away your arguing AND disruptive posts, you dont have much left. Start some threads about AP or something. Start a thread about how you did recently playing, do some double posting guys, get crazy. And I'm hopeless.  

Let me clue you in. I'm gonna be on these boards not for years but most likely decades, so get use to me. I'll still be posting *LONG AFTER* you have given up on roulette. Your names won't even be remembered, just a past memory of the man you could of been.  I have seen many guys like you in the PAST, eventually they leave. You guys like a good challenge, so I hear. lol I have one for you. Lets see who lasts the longest. Stuff that in your stockin. Ken

[Mr J]

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