Preliminary Notes On Beating the RNG Software

[zippyplayer]

go and play at said onlines for a week or 2 and you'll see whats what !

surely you have experience like many where you can lay chips on every number but 1 and thats the one that magically spins out
play 2 of the 3 dozens for 10 spins.  .  .  you might get 1 hit if your lucky
you stand on 15 (blackjack)  the dealer shows a 6.  .  .  he hits a 10 then a 4 or 5.  . 

it ain't random
been said DON'T PLAY
proof maybe not experience yes
I'm in good company

[MauiSunset]

go and play at said onlines for a week or 2 and you'll see whats what !

surely you have experience like many where you can lay chips on every number but 1 and thats the one that magically spins out
play 2 of the 3 dozens for 10 spins.  .  .  you might get 1 hit if your lucky
you stand on 15 (blackjack)  the dealer shows a 6.  .  .  he hits a 10 then a 4 or 5.  .  

it ain't random
been said DON'T PLAY
proof maybe not experience yes
I'm in good company

From what I've read, there are 3 to 5 statistical tests that can be run on a LARGE group of numbers to determine if they are random or not.  Beyond that looking at the output of a RNG won't tell you a thing.  Random numbers can look like anything - from all Red for 50 spins to Green 0 appearing 10 times in a row - that would all be what a RNG spits out.

My suggestion to folks who believe evil forces are at work is to play live TV Roulette and forget about RNGs.

But one thing that always seems to surface when evil RNG plots are hatching is the fact the gambler is losing.

How about someone winning 25 spins in a row?  Nobody ever seems to complain then, only when they lose 25 spins in a row....

[RobbieD]

Can anyone enlighten us as to what tests these so-called regulatory bodies carry out?

[MauiSunset]

Can anyone enlighten us as to what tests these so-called regulatory bodies carry out?

I can only report what I saw on a TV special about cheating at casinos.

The gambling commissions simply inspect each machine that is used in gambling looking at seals that they installed earlier when the machine was shipped to the casino.  No broken seals mean no tampering.

The show did not say what was done at the manufacturing facility.  A hash total of the CPU chip would easily determine if tampering has taken place - but who does this or if it even is done was not reported.

That's all I know.

[zippyplayer]

nullified
what is your experience of online RNG

[nullified]

This topic has gone off topic.   My hope was that there would be a few people interested in formulating a long term winning system to toss some ideas around based on logical premises. 

It seems that everyone would rather argue about whether RNG software is legit or not.

To quote myself:

4.    Betting on spatial patterns is not profitable.    If we're looking for a pattern on the table layout itself to exploit, we are in trouble.    The obvious reason is that it is far too easy for the RNG software to simply avoid a certain area of the table, or keep hitting a certain area - whichever it needs to do to keep taking your money, and keep you losing. 

This statement is not entirely true.   I can see where betting on spatial patterns is necessary to fund a series of single number exploits.   Sometimes you have to bet spatially for a while to "stay in the game" while you are actually pursuing bigger wins.

Although I am working on just such a bet, I will refrain from commenting on this topic in the future.   If I could lock this thread I would.   

Actually, I'm just using this main board as my online notepad for a system I'm working on.   But seeing how quickly topics can get off topic, I'll reserve my posts for the full roulette systems board.

[MauiSunset]

I would say that if someone is worried about casinos cheating with RNG's their is probably a higher likelihood of Maritans invading us.

Random numbers are exactly that -  they are random and NOT uniform.

Random numbers fool you - your brain can't handle random numbers so it finds false patterns all the time - they mean nothing.

That's exactly why there is a huge marquee by every roulette table - the casino want's your brain finding patterns and making bets when NO patterns are there in reality....

[zippyplayer]

mauisunset
what is your experience of online RNG

[zippyplayer]

nullified
the contrary is the case
your original premiss is very interesting and thought provoking

my experience at the UK online casinos is stated
i would hope the many experts like mauisunset would point you me and i'm sure many others in the direction of a totally safe & honest online casino
then maybe this topic could move on as you'd hoped

[MauiSunset]

mauisunset
what is your experience of online RNG

I play in several online casinos - Black Jack, Craps, and Roulette.

Nothing seems out of the ordinary.

Worry about earth being hit by an 1 mile wide meteor that's a real concern in the couple of million years.

Folks who worry about RNGs have way too much time on their hands....

[MauiSunset]

nullified
the contrary is the case
your original premiss is very interesting and thought provoking

my experience at the UK online casinos is stated
I would hope the many experts like mauisunset would point you me and I'm sure many others in the direction of a totally safe & honest online casino
then maybe this topic could move on as you'd hoped

I play online to test out some systems/ideas that I'm currently working on.

I would NEVER, did I mention NEVER, play online for real money (I play for actual money but NOT big bucks)

I play online with play money until I feel confident to move onto the next step - real money.  But I play for $1 and a small BR.  There is a vast difference between playing with play money and your money, even if it's just $1 a bet.  You can count on everything that can go wrong going wrong as soon as you select "Real money" - count on that.

Not that I think RNGs are rigged but because they exist outside the US and have no laws that govern them.  I don't travel to Mexico for the same reasons I don't gamble for real money online - I don't want to find out the consequences of corrupt individuals/corporations/governments.

Trust but verify is a great way to view casinos.

I gamble at casinos, with hard earned money, only where anyone caught cheating will spend many years in prison.  Vegas is such a place.

[zippyplayer]

ok you win
RNGs and online casinos are 100%(minus the house edge)
get back on the topic for nullifed,share some of your thoughts
the only thing i can up with is short term patterns

[Mike]

Not that I think RNGs are rigged but because they exist outside the US and have no laws that govern them.  

Not true. Many online casinos in Europe, Australia and other places are licensed by their respective governments. But it's an academic point since US citizens aren't allowed to gamble online.

So I assume that if the US government did a U-turn on online gambling then you WOULD consider playing online for real money?

[MauiSunset]

Not true. Many online casinos in Europe, Australia and other places are licensed by their respective governments. But it's an academic point since US citizens aren't allowed to gamble online.

So I assume that if the US government did a U-turn on online gambling then you WOULD consider playing online for real money?

Sure, I've not seen anything out of the ordinary in 2 years of daily play on them.

I probably spend at least 1 hour each day online 365 days a year testing my systems and the games seem to behave the same as our local gambling boats in St Louis, casinos in Vegas and Tunica that we visit once every other month.

Of course I see patterns that have me thinking "rigged" but the same thoughts go through my mind in Vegas too....

[gavind]

Lucky for you. I've been staring at it for hours already but nonetheless, I can't see any pattern at all.

[gavind]

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