Its All About PROBABILITY

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And anybody who thinks its NOT about probability,
is clueless. All I do is research, and practice, and play.
Its 100% about probability. When you deal with random
outcomes it can't be about anything else. Probability
is all about dealing with incomplete information, thats why
there are no probability math laws. If we had complete
information, and could make unbreakable laws, there
would be no need for probability.

In this example, if I see the last 5 spins as all RED, probability would tell me a BLACK "might" be coming soon.  However if i'm reading the random at the same time, the random is telling me we are "streaking" or not changing.  How can a bet be placed if probabilty and "random" disagree?

[cheese]

Probability is a very abstract concept, so you can't say it doesn't 'work' or has failed to produce successful results.

Its not even a science as much as it is a theory. You can
apply enough probability theory to roulette to beat the
living crap out of it, but its not easy. It takes constant
practice and vigilance to stay on top of it. At first you'll
see more times to not play, then you will see times that
are right to play. The more you practice, the more you'll
see whats going on and the more everything will fall into
place.

[cheese]

In this example, if I see the last 5 spins as all RED, probability would tell me a BLACK "might" be coming soon.  However if I'm reading the random at the same time, the random is telling me we are "streaking" or not changing.  How can a bet be placed if probabilty and "random" disagree?

Why would 5 reds in a row tell you anything?

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5 REDS in a row tell me alot.  If you look at the game in only one of 2 ways, streaks and chop, it tells me the trend is in a streak.  However probability will tell me, the streak won't last forever.

[cheese]

5 reds in a row isn't much to go on to make a bet. You
can never have too much information.

[cheese]

Here's something that wasn't copied from Wiki, it comes from
here:  nolinks://nolinks.math.utep.edu/Faculty/mleung/probabilityandstatistics/beg.html



"The first major accomplishment in the development
of probability theory was the realization that one
could actually predict to a certain degree of accuracy
events which were yet to come."

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5 reds in a row isn't much to go on to make a bet. You
can never have too much information.

Could've sworn you had mentioned when you start, you write down the first 5 results and just start playing.

[ReDsQuaD]

You don't know who 'Cheese' is.  A full time player, a consistent winner while flat betting.  Look up the member name 'Spike'  to loose money!

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=16634.0

Ill pass on this one. But thanks.

[ReDsQuaD]

I've never copied and pasted anything from Wiki in my
life. And anybody who thinks its NOT about probability,
is clueless. All I do is research, and practice, and play.
Its 100% about probability. When you deal with random
outcomes it can't be about anything else. Probability
is all about dealing with incomplete information, thats why
there are no probability math laws. If we had complete
information, and could make unbreakable laws, there
would be no need for probability.

Sorry to go over your head, go back to reading the flip
side of the cereal box, where you obviously get all your
info.

BTW, brainiac, its you're, not 'your'. And its anybody, not
'any body'. If you want to be taken seriously, you really
need to work on the details.

[iggiv]

Cheese, your just a bellend who hasn't a clue in what they are talking about.

Your the type of guy who copies and pastes from Wiki to try impress people.

Your the loser mate.

Any body who believes beating roulette is about probability, just hasn't done their research into the game.

how can u call someone loser if u don't even know him? just because u don't agree with his views?
that's not a good example of discussion obviously.

[ReDsQuaD]

how can u call someone loser if u don't even know him? just because u don't agree with his views?
that's not a good example of discussion obviously.

Well i totally agree, ask cheese the same thing. After all it was him who accused me of it first.

[iggiv]

i believe it was not personal against u but rather his opinion about most of people here.

[ReDsQuaD]

I believe it was not personal against u but rather his opinion about most of people here.

The problem with this guy, he thinks he is some kind of bigshot (a god) because he thinks he can beat roulette.

So what if he does? who cares? Because I don't. Advantage play is small, but yes roulette is being beaten every day by all types of different people in different country's - Cheese is not the only AP out there (Irrelevant because he's not) But my point.

But I gotta say, advantage players would laugh at this quote (from cheese) if they saw this:

"And anybody who thinks its NOT about probability,
is clueless. All I do is research, and practice, and play.
Its 100% about probability"


Sorry but I had to laugh because its really not what a pro would say. But I suppose in this industry, you will always see this type of nonsense being said.

AP's know beating roulette is purely based on physics. - Predicting the outcome the area of where the ball is going to land. Period (Hybrid roulette computers announce the exact number it will land on). Can you get predictions based on probability? NO, of course not.

I just see a wheel with numbered pockets, a rotor and the ball.

I understand that some people do truly believe that roulette can be beaten based on probability, but in reality, its not possible, no matter how hard it is to believe.

[cheese]

Sorry but I had to laugh because its really not what a pro would say.

How would you know what a pro would or would not say. You
don't have a clue.

[Kelly]

"The first major accomplishment in the development
of probability theory was the realization that one
could actually predict to a certain degree of accuracy
events which were yet to come."

Cheese you have to have a closer look on what you are discussing.  The probability for a number to hit is 1:37 so your phrase means that we can predict that a number will come 1 in 37 and the payout is 35. Thats hardly the soloution for beating roulette.  If you think you can short cut by sitting out numbers, you have to remember that the ball has no memory of how far behind or in front it is.    Maybe a number is behind measured in 200 spins, maybe the exact same number is in front measured over 1000 spins, maybe it is exactly where it should be measured over 2000 spins. No one has a clue, and even if they had, there is no way the data can provide a hint for the next bet-

You refer to ken as being successfull.  Well he was successfull when he played sleepers yeeerrrssss ago. Now he plays hot numbers and is still sucessfull and so he will be in 5 years time when i look in here again.  Make of it what you want.  Its the internet, no one is responsible for anything and everybody is as big as house if someone steps on their toes.  Even the little goggle eyed nerd behind his super Mac.

[Kelly]

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