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Robust Strategy for Unbiased Live Wheels Obly
April 06, 2016, 01:45:16 AM
Hello All

Another strategy from my Armour which has witnessed only 1 loss in 200000 live Spins.

divide the table into 18 Splits. like 1/4, 7/10 etc.
Wait for a hit on all the 18 Splits. find the farthest back 6 Unhit Splits atleast 21 Spins away.

Bet on those 6 Splits for 12 Spins max with a Progression of your choice

 Logic : 12 numbers i.e 6 splits not hitting in 33 consecutive Spins comes  once in 200000 spins which will be a loss. but you would you would increased ur bankroll 100 times by then.

with 0.25 min base unit. Bankroll reqd is 450 GBP.

Happy earnings.

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Thanks '75!

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example ?

Perperikon

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Hello TopPlayer1975,

Table limits in Dublinbe and Celtic are 1-10.Could you give an example for progression from 12 steps.
Thank you.


PS The expectation was to share this:
Hello Guys,
I am a new member in the forum and am a Professional Roulette player who makes a living playing this game. For me Going to Casino is  like withdrawing money from ATM, only difference being I need to earn before I can withdraw.

Hints for Critics who believe Roulette can not be beaten since they never discovered the Winning formula.
-- Only 9 numbers chosen from wheel sectors.
-- No spins recording.
-- No Progression
-- Nothing to do with table Layout.

Sounds good. See the screenshot of over 20 K GBP winnings as an evidence that what I am talking makes sense.

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Whoever  plays that 9 number bet selection is a true master of the craft.
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Your "system" is a typical gambler' fallacy.
You play 12 numbers (or 6 splits) for 12 spins, not 33 spins.
Whatever happened before you start playing for real has nothing to do whatsoever with what will happen while you are playing.
Nothing in the game of Roulette is ''due''. So you find out very quickly that 6 splits can sleep for 12 spins more often that you think.

And AGAIN!  Progressions are NOT the solution.

You must find a numbers or several numbers to play that have a positive expectation.  There are ways to achieve that but, sorry to disappoint you, none of them are easy.

Some of us play for ''recreational purpose only'', and very few of us play to actually make some dough.  You can have it easy and lose some money.  That is perfectly alright as long as you have some fun doing it.  Or you can have it hard and make some.

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Nathan Detroit

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Insidebet,



I am surprised that TopPlayer even came up with that  concoction.That belongs  into the brain fart section of ONE system  per day  so common at the sister board..


Back to reality . Our  live table minimums at B & M   casinos  start at $ 5 if we are lucky. Late afternoons , Evenings, weekends they start at $ 10.

Quite  different from the 25 c as posted. That besides another discrepancy as well.

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GLC for progressions:


Quote from: HP on March 18, 2012, 01:58:57 PM
Another week of testing this system.
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I reached my stop limit several times and after all, I broke even.
So far, no profits.
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I think this is the summation of all roulette systems.  They're all based on the same odds so if you play long enough.....


Some move at a fast pace and others at a slower pace, but eventually they confirm the above statement.


Here's how every system works.  If you flat bet, you will move up and down with a gradual drift downwards.


If you use a progression with no stop loss, you will win a ton of small wins but eventually you will hit the table limits and have to give it back.


If you use a progression with a large stop loss you will mirror the last statement except that you will give it back at your stop loss which you will eventually hit often enough to wipe out your winnings.


If you use a short progression you will mirror the last statement except that your stop loss will be reached much quicker and more often but with the same results of giving all winnings back.


Etc...


No matter how complicated you make your system it makes no difference.  It's just a matter of time.


The reality is that not only will you give all your winnings back, but most will give more than you won back.


Some will be lucky and always be a winner.  Most will win and lose but gradually lose more and more.  A few will be unlucky and lose from the beginning.


Maybe there's no reason for the 2,000th post.


I have gone to the dark side.


Peace to all and enjoy the friendships.  In the end, that may be all you have left.


GLC




I can't say that there's a best progression for double streets.
 
But, my favorite for any location is the Penthouse idea.
111111222222333333444444etc...
 
Move 1 step to the right on a loss and move 5 steps to the left on a win.  Any time you are up, start over.
You can contract or expand this bet line.  A contraction increases risk:
1111222233334444 etc...  More aggressive because bets climb quicker.
11111111122222222233333333344444444 etc... Less aggressive.
 
Another one that's pretty safe but involves some calculations is Lanky's 6 point divisor.  I can't say  that it's better than the Penthouse, but because of the safety brake feature, it can be controlled somewhat.
 
A really bad strike rate for an extended number of spins kills all progressions, it even kills a flat bet.
 
I will add that a safety brake can be applied to the Penthouse progression.  All you have to do is set up a list of bet lines like the following:
111222333444555etc...
11112222333344445555 etc...
1111122222333334444455555 etc...
111111222222333333444444555555 etc...
11111112222222333333344444445555555 etc...
111111112222222233333333444  you get the idea.
 
If you're bet sizes start getting too large, you just drop down the chart a line or 2 or more and it will keep you bets more manageable.  If you have a hot streak you can move back up the chart so recovery doesn't take the rest of your life.
 
For more than 1 double street, you can tweak the above bet lines by shrinking the number of bets at each level.
 
Example:  for 2 double streets which is really a dozen the basic Penthouse line is 111222333444555 mover 1 to right on loss, move 2 to left on win.
 
Nothing is fool proof.  Any progression has it's pros and cons.
 
I hope this has given you a couple of ideas.
 
GLC
 
P.S.  A really aggressive line is 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 etc... move 1 step to the right on a loss and move 5 steps to the left on a win.  Reset when in profit.
This can be used for any bet.  The only thing that changes is how many steps to the left you move on a win.  2 for a dozen bet, 11 for a street bet, 8 for a corner bet, 1 for an even chance bet.
So as not to bore you, I'll point out 1 more line.  I call this the high roller's line.
1 3 5 7 9 11 13 15 17 19 21 23 etc... same movement rules as the others.  You must have a big buy-in to play this line, but it also can win a lot of units "post haste".

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I only believe in  positive progressions like the 2-1-2 Up and pull  progression . Example 2-1-2-3-3-5-1. ( For EC)
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Or the general Charles Guetting progression.( also positive)
( Dozens, columns, Quads)

Both methods  to  be played with a strategic exit policy for winning  and losing.


For recreational purposes only. Play at your own risk ..
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Nathan,

Sorry about brushing you the wrong way a little while ago.

What do you call ''progressive'' progressions?  Why do you believe in those?  Just past experience or something else?

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I am an advocator of playing 9 Sector numbers which is not easy for All to play.

Nathan, Inside bet
6 Splits strategy is for new players and this works since its very hard see 12 numbers and that too 6 splits on table layout to disappear for 33 consecutive spins.

Agree this is not foolproof, I only play 9 numbers sector dynamically which cant be explained since it needs focus, concentration and years of practise in Live Play.

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Regression betting on trends


John Patrick
Posted 05/16/12

”Let me see if I can bring the Regression BACK to where it belongs....s the greatest (yeah, I said greatest) betting method in the Universe ....for the simple reason is that ONE win wraps up a SERIES Profit as soon as thea first single solitary win is official......

I read your last post and honestly got confused halfway thru it as the moves were totally contrary to what I laid out way way way long ago ....before my hair turned to silver and my Uncle Charlie was unhittable....before I could go from first to third on a grounder to the pitcher (naturally I usually forgot to touch second when there was only a home plate umpire, but that's another story.....)

The Regression was the best.....before the tail (NBA players) wagged the dog.....(Owners of the league....)

Even before gifted athletes played in the NFL for the sport (and of course the money)....and did not get paid to maim their opponents .....and get off with a slap on the wrist....

Even before baseball players were considered major leaguers and considered stars if they hit over .300......popped 40 dingers.....won 18 to 20 games and had completed games of over a dozen.....(or before todays "stars" hit .247.....steal 7 bases, drive in 62 runs .....and can go 2 months before getting arrested for smacking their girlfriend (while Mom is home with the 4 kids .....

Or a pitcher only has to win 9 games......get to the 6th inning 4 times all year.....and hold their ERA under 4.50 and get rewarded with a contract of 135 trillion for 2 years .....

even before the casinos screwed the patrons by dropping the payoff on BJ to 3-2 (soon to be even money)......allowed the dealers to hit soft 17's took away surrender and bumped the minimums to $25 tables ....

Yeah.....the Regression system was "handed" to you people on a gift wrapped platter....to get you to change your idiotic way of betting ....and the method is NOT rocket science ....it is simply LOGIC.....tied with a nice red bow.....

And STILL the math people try and distort the reasoning behind the HOW and the WHY I put it all into a simple little bundle of GENIUS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Before I go over the LOGICAL simple approach of this great "happening"......let me refer you opeople to a great great post (in this very thread)......and all you have to do is go back to the near beginning of the thread and rad the post by James M. Kehl......it was done on 12/11/11 (that's December 11th, 2011 for you math people who have trouble with simple LOGIC....

it was one of the best posts I ever read on the subject and simplicity of grasping a Theory ....and of course James did not receive any acclaim from these so called math wizards ....becaue it was so could ....they could not understand it .....but James enlightened any who wanted to read it ......

So, I will not be able to top his post ....but maybe I can swing even one single solitary person away from the gar bage of those who "refuse to leave the method alone"......because of the very simple statement ......"if it ain't broke....don't fix it"....

Here is the Regression system in all it's GENIUS .....

1) You're at a $10 minimum table ....

2) First bet is $20 (as long as it is higher than the original bet......)

3) You lose the first three hands or 3 out of 4 and you leae that table.....

4) But say you win that initial $20 SERIES bet ......

5) Dealer slides over $20 in chips to you.....

6) You have just reached the totally, absolute NO LOSE SITUATION for that SERIES....you cannot lose any money for that SERIES....impossible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

7) In a space in front of your SESSION money, so as to keep track of the ongoing SERIES, you pull back your original $20 bet and half (in this case $10) of your winning $20...

8) You have your original $20 back, plus a profit of $10 in that set aside space reserved for that ongoing SERIES....

9) Plus you have $10 in action on the board ....so that IF IF IF you lose the next hand....you are a $10 guaranteed winner for that SERIES....

10) But suppose you WIN that second hand of $10....the dealer slides the winning amount next to your $ 10 bet ......

11) You immediately go to UP and PULL.....you take the $10 and with $5 of it you raise your next bet to $15 ( you UPPED your bet)....and the other $5 of the $10 profit is brought back to your SERIES pile.....

12) At this point you have your $20 starting wager back ....and a profit of $15 for that SERIES....and a $15 wager on board....

13) If you lose you are up $15 for that SERIES....

14) If you win that $15 wager....the dealer slides $15 next to your bet ....and the options are starting now .....

15) You can NOW....raise your next bet to $20 and pull back $10.....OR raise your ongoing wager to $25 and pull back $5.......OR .....pull back the whole $15 profit and bet $15 again.....OR.....pull back the $15 PLUS $5 from your wager of $15 and have $10 going on the next hand.....

You into UP and PULL....but there is a STIPULATION....You HAVE to pull something back to the SEREIES profit pile ....anything you want ....but you HAVE to pull back a profit .....and on the other hand you do NOT have to add to the UP part of the equation....you can bet the same $15 or go down to $10....so it is alright to decrease or increase or stay the same with the wager .....the MUST is mandatory that you get paid for evrey winning hand (your choice...but something!!!

16) For the sake of clarity lets go to the move of UP to $20 and PULL BACK $10.....you are STILL in a no lose situation.....even if you lose that present $20 bet .....

17) But suppose you win that $20 wager ....the optuions again come up.....go UP to $25 and pull back $15.....OR go up to $30 and pull back $10.....or go UP to $35 and pull back $5....or PULL back all $20 profit and bet $20 again.....OR pull back profit plus another $5 and bet $15 .....OR pull back $20 payoff and an additional $10 and bet $10.....

In the case of that REgression move ....you already had your $20 original wager back....plus a profit of $55 for that open SERIES and still a $10 bet in action.....

I could go on all day (is that a song title?????, also from the past?????) but hopefully you get the drift ....and as I said it is pure LOGIC....my 7 year old granddaughter got it the first time around ......and is now booking her own game of BJ in her second grade class....(with a 5% payoff to the teacher of course .....well, she's learning)

Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, what is so hard about this Theory ....or better still ....what is better than it is.......... in its own original version?????

Outside of the Rocky SERIES and perhaps the Steven Speilberg STAR WARS Epics.....show me one version of spinoffs to SERIES that made it big .......

Which is why I turned grey so quickly (at the age of 33 )....when I see my main contribution to the gambling world be tinkered with.....

Regression after the first win is the key....and it Works to the point I put you in a no lose situation right out of the gate....and then the amount and number of double and triple regressions is up to each individual ......

I USE MULTIPLE REGRESSIONS ....since I hate to lose and love piling up the profits as the STRING of wins roar on.......

I can tell you this......the worst case scenario to anyone who gambles....is to finally catch a nnice streak of winning hands of 5-6-7-8-9 etc .....and without the use of GUARANTEE and EXCESS .....which is UP and PULL in a simpler point of view.....when the streak finally ends.....

and you die as you see the dealer scoop ALL of your winnings back to HIS pile......

Yet a simple application of UP and PULL would ahve left you with a smile on your face ...... "



JOHN PATRICK
http://roncen.websitetoolbox.com/post/regression-betting-on-trends-5616713?highlight=regression+betting+trends
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The Guetting Progression
http://www.win-maxx.com/basics/basics03.html

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I am an advocator of playing 9 Sector numbers which is not easy for All to play.

Okay, know how, please, please... :-)

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Insidebet,,

I am playing  John Patrick`s Up and pull  method for quite a number of years  (about 27 years)

My thanks go to  Perperikon who  forwarded  a post by John Patrick  who gave such a detailed description  of the 2-1-2 Up and Pull.

Happy Winnings !
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Hello TopPlayer1975,

Table limits in Dublinbe and Celtic are 1-10.Could you give an example for progression from 12 steps.
Thank you.


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6 splits is like playing on a dozen or column.

So for Dublinbet :
0.25 - 0.25 - 0.50 - 0.75 - 1 - 1.5 - 2 - 3 - 4.5 - 6.5 - 10 - 14.5
Bankroll = 268.5 = 270 units.

Last 12th bet on 14.5 is above the table limit (10) , so just put 2.25 on each number to complete it.

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