Throwing some ideas around for new systems.

[kiddo]

lets get those thinking caps on whos got some ideas?

[Joker]

hey kiddo thank you for your system...man you bet 1000 per unit? you must be rich

you do this for living?

how hard is it to make consistent winning with baccarat?

well... i used to play this way

wait till 7 streak come up could be bank or player

for example
BBBBBBB P BB PP BBBB<<<see this fourth one after 7 streak right? i wait this to get up 3 or 4 then start betting using maybe 5 progressive.... I do win, but only problem is i have to wait for while..... can you test it for me?

thank you  ... oh by the way your 2nd system is great.. you think it is good to try it?

[pompado]

Hi I find an idea at GG and I will post it soon. I have not test it but I did see a short test and it looks great.
But there is an issue here, more about that later.
I think we can add a tweak to this one if we make some basic changes.
Its based upon the principal of 1/2 and here is some results.

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Now you could do it with the principal of 1/3 or 1/2 as above.
We could use 2 or 3 formations to grind out a profit.
The key to succes is not to get a nice LW Registry where the W chops.
The key to succes is to know how to handel loses when fluctation appers "chaos".

We have to try to win more, break even more and hit loss limit less, as Lucky Strike says.

More to come...

pompado

[lucky_strike]

Nice pompado...

I read your post at GG and I agree it would be great to find a "meaningful coincidences" if there exist one!

So this is going to be about "formations" and "attracting"?

Cheers Lucky Strike

[Colin]

POMPADO HI THERE YES PLEASE DO POST THE SYSTEM AS SOON AS POSIBLE AS THE RESULTS YOU POST LOOK FABLOUS . THANKS COLIN

[pompado]

I would not recomend you to use it.
Its just an idea and I only like the basic concept of it, I think there is a way to tweak it using LW Registry patterns.
I run a short test for 1000 and hit 4 loses in a row, but I did not use hes way of doing things.
More to come soon...

pompado

[kiddo]

its not hard to win consistently in baccarat if you know what you are doing. Pattern methodology is pretty easy to play but I prefer to use systems/methods to play because I can keep a set of rules and follow them. Sometimes when you get emotional you start to play poorly and make mistakes and thats where alot of baccarat methods fail.


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here are outcomes of 5 shoes using the above method with a simple never back down progression. so far each shoe is up a decent amount of units. The rules I used was dominant bet selection. Pompado, I think your methodology is very good. With the two time bet selection. It works very well. so basically stealing some rules from my Dynamic Averages system heres what I came up with.

1. Start by playing 2 units on 2 banker outcomes if you hit it the first one stop.
2. IF the out come was BP you stay on banker as it is the dominant site (winning side)
3. IF the outcome was PB you switch to betting on player as it is now the dominant side
4. IF the outcome was PP you switch to betting on player as it is now the dominant side

Money Management?
start with $10 units, NEVER bet 1 unit, always start at 2.
For every WIN you stay at the same bet, for every LOSS you increase bet by 1 unit.

This is a quick 10 minute tweak to your methodology pampado! awesome work! 4 shoes and you are already up 156 units!

[kawa4711]

Hi, Kiddo, can this be transformed to roulette? (even chances)

Best regards

kawa4711

[pompado]

Thanks kiddo.

kawa4711 - Yes it can its the same thing, but with baccarat you have the commison and with roulette you have zero.

pompado

[kiddo]

mmm well. I gave it a quick run for fun at the casino using $100 units. Did quite well I was surprised! bought in for 2500 and left with 11000 3 shoes later. Pompado I think you should think aobut it alittle more and see if we can tweak it.

[Lanky]

Hello Kiddo.

My Mate Old Lanky is a little confused.
Please help me understand this Cobber as this does look very Good.
Its Important for Me because our Min out here on Bacc Table is $25.(Nothing to You)
But to Me not knowing how to play could get Me in trouble.
...
1. Start by playing 2 units on 2 banker outcomes if you hit it the first one stop.
BB << we now Play Banker
2. IF the out come was BP you stay on banker as it is the dominant site (winning side)
BBpB<<ok we win here.
Now where do we go.? Like would it be like this BBpB/BB << and then bet ??
3. IF the outcome was PB you switch to betting on player as it is now the dominant side
This one has Me Confused mate.??
Can you give a sample Please.
4. IF the outcome was PP you switch to betting on player as it is now the dominant side
Ok so if it went.
BBpp<< we now bet P right ? (if so then our trouble would be the BBppBBpp Scenaro Right ?)

Thanks in advance Mate.
I appreciate it.

Lanky

PS
Ok I think You answered this in the other thread.
Your playing the Decision before the last.

[kiddo]

Hey Lanky

#2 if you have BB PB you will be playing on player next.

example:

here is a part of a shoe I played last night

PB   PB   BP   PB   BP   BP   PP   BP   BP   PP   PB PP PB
LW  W    LW  LW  LW  W    LL   LW   W   LL   W   W  W

now the event tracking would look like this in a row under
- W - - - W L - W L W W W

The bet selection would be like this,
2 2 2 2 2 2 -4 3 -6 4 4 4

So heres a play by play.
PB comes out player is dominant we play player for the next two hands.
PB comes out we stop after we win on the first player and wait for the bank to go by.
BP bank comes out first we lose our first bet, we bet another 2 units on player again and we win. This is a break even event which the "-" stands for under event tracking.
PB same as the last hand lose the first hand and win the second, we bet on bank both hands though because it was the dominant one in the pair.
BP same as above.
BP same as above. we bet on bank for the next two hands. Bank comes out in the first hand of the pair we stop and wait for event to pass by
PP we bet on bank both hands here and we lose bringing us down 4 units TOTAL. And this is recorded as an L under our event tracker. remember to increase your unit by 1.
BP bank dominant, we were betting on player. break even event
BP now we bet on bank win the first hand wait out the second hand.
PP another losing event record -6 on score tracker increase base unit by 1
PB betting on player as it was dominant win first hand wait out the second
PP same as above
PB same as above


+15 units over all not bad. Playing like this you only lose to one pattern. that is if it goes 3 in a row and a 2 in a row and goes back to a 3 in a row and then to a 2 in a row
IE
PPP BB PPP BB PPP BB PPP BB or vice versa. you win on EVERY other kind of pattern and break even on PP BB PP BB PP BB patterns. Which makes this method VERY powerful

[Lanky]

Kiddo.

Thanks Mate .

Your a Champion Cobber.

Good On Ya Mate.

Lanky

[kiddo]

another update just came back from the casino. bought in for 2000, I left with 11,000. Highest bet? 400 bucks believe it or not. the equivalent of 4 units. And I made this in 2 shoes.

[Matilda]

It appears to me John he has done that on quite a few occasions.  Maybe you might have a system you would like to post instead of consistent criticism.
By the way Kiddo have done well with 2 of the systems you have given me.

Keep up the good work Kiddo,

Thanks Matilda

[Matilda]

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