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RNG Attack - Whats the point .....

Started by nireaper, November 29, 2008, 09:26:53 PM

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nireaper

Hello to all that might read, and firstly thanks to Victor for giving me place to post some systems and testing that I have done against online rng. The main idea of this space is for me to post in some organised fashion the systems that I have tested or coded in rx against online rng. I have been coding and testing for several months now in an effort to see if it is possible to gain any long term profit from online rng. I must stress my main reason for doing this is my own curiousity and challenge to see if it can be done, I have no wild dreams of retiring to med on my winnings. I enjoy coding systems and testing them against collecting spins, my addiction is to coding/testing rather than gambling!

For all the members who believe that rng is totally fixed and impossible to win because of rigged software or cheating casino, you may well be right however I base tests on 2m collected rng spins. Beating these spins long term is the first challenge, testing live against the rng on comes once results are good enough.

Testing is done in 3 stages using rx , 1 test of 200k spins , if successful test 2 of 630k spins and then test 3 of 1.3m test spins.

Each variation of a system is given a different system id so I have a better way of keeping track of them all.

I'll start posting some my systems, mayy of them are very basic in principle but I am also making all the rx codes available so that people can test or modify for their own use.

If anyone has any ideas for systems then please post and I'll try to get them coded. Also open to any suggestions or comments.

Lastly I hope to keep all this friendly, have saw on many occasions when people try to share information they get flamed for their systems or ideas being no good. I am stating right from the start that Im not saying rng can be beat or making any claims on any system but this information may be useful to some.

mistarlupo

All the best, buddy!
It's really nice to have you around here...

Good luck.

Regards,
m

TwoCatSam

nireaper

I welcome your studies!!  Don't worry about the flamers.  Yes, they'll come.  You must strive for a higher goal and the first step is to ignore the negativity!  You are right in testing, not just jumping in with your money.

In my tests today, I did very well against an RNG.  I did feel it was tossing a lot of zeros my way, but maybe that was just the way it works.

We all look forward to your posts.

Sam

Breeze88

Hi Nireaper


I really appreciate your work on the RNG Investigations , i am looking forward to read your posts.

also if you need any help PM me , i will do the best i can ;)


cheerz , Mate

nireaper

The zeros can be killers but I think sometimes we just think the casino is out to get us - on the spins I have collected there are patterns in them that if you were actually betting you would swear the casino had changed the outcome to beat you , yet Im test system on pre collected numbers .

I know I have cursed the casinos when I have lost real money thinking that the numbers appeared shouldnt have , however the more I have tested over the last few months the more I have found that those strange and rare events arent really that rare and stange after all.

TwoCatSam

ni

You are exactly right!  I just did over 200 spins and no zero.  Not one.  My streets hit just like I planned. 

Sam

The Spiders Kiss

Ni,
This looks like a really interesting topic.
Thanks for the under taking.I am one of those who believe that RNG's are more difficult than normal wheels so I will be watching with interest.
TSK

hoper35

I think you either need a system that the RNG can't figure out or you need multiple systems that are quite different, to beat it.  I believe it throws series of numbers at you designed to beat you.

My question is whether the "live dealer" is more like RNG or more like B&M.


Ron. 

nireaper

@ tsk - thanx for the comments , starting to realise more people have an interest in rng than I thought.

@ hoper - Im still unsure about "it throws series of numbers at you designed to beat you" , I have thought this many times when I have been playing rng and lost to events that I thought were just too unlikely. However if you test a system against any of the spin sets I use you get rare events occuring against that system and yet the rng isnt changing any numbers. Think a big part of the rng success is to do with which casino - I have noticed huge variances in different casinos rngs and the results they produce. At present Im trying to collect about 20m spins from various casinos - when done I post results and the variations between the casinos.

hoper35

I'll be looking forward to see your results.


Ron.


The Spiders Kiss

Good....20 million spins should give an interesting insight to the RNG's.
Looking forward to your results.Thanks for your efforts,
TSK

MXkid77

Thanks for this thread, as i only play RNG. You might want too take a look at this thread, as i was getting a feeling the RNG was learning my bet and causing my previous systems to fail. I did this challenge to see if th RNG was learning, and i think there are enough spins done in this challenge to maybe prove otherwise.

I never recorded the exact amount of spins here, but i will calculate when i have a chance, as i know what the win amount was.

This system overall, has failed twice in +- 120 000 spins, playing over different casino's, all real money Playtech RNG.

nireaper

I agree that it could be possible for the rng to learn the bets and beat the system but for me to be more confident of that I'd like to have a system that I knew was winning consistantly against pre recorded spins , if it constants beat them but lost against live play rng then I would have to agree that the rng is cheating. At the minute its just a case of working towards that winning system.

I take it by the number of spins you tested it on you had it coded in RX ? Would you consider posting system ?


MXkid77

Hi, Nireaper,

initial tests were in the regieon of 200 spins will live RNG unbetted spins, run through RX. The remainder of the spins were all real money live RNG play.

System is posted here, nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/6-9-12-stage-streets/

and the one used in the challenge was stage 3. I tried to tame it down a bit with stage 1 & stage 2, but stop losses are more frequent. Maybe you could have some ideas for it.

alarian

Why are you wasting your time with this?
You're never going to make a long-term progression system. It's just not possible

Why oh why are you waiting to bet? I don't get that...

What you do when you "wait until red hasn't come up for 5 times" is that you just spread out your bets, but the losses are equally spread out... PROPORTIONALLY

what you will achieve is that you will win less often and lose less often... But if you compare the amounts of progressions started to the amounts of losses, you'll still be at the same relative amounts...

example:

you bet right away and start progression at 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256
For lazyness sake... let's say you have 50% chance of hitting your target... This means that you'll hit as follows:

1st: 50%
2nd: 25%
3rd: 12,5%
4th: 6,25%
5th: 3,125%
6th: 1,5625%
7th: 0,78125%
8th: 0,390625%
9th: 0,1953125%

It doesn't matter where you start... the next chance will be 50% of the chance you have WHEN you start...

Sure, a 10 times streak won't come often... and an 11 times streak will come even half as often...
HOWEVER, if you start betting at 2 instead of 1, you'll go through the same amounts of progressions, only bet half as often and losing half as often

YOU LOSE
STOP WASTING YOUR TIME

EITHER CHEAT ON A REAL WHEEL OR START COUNTING CARDS IN BLACKJACK
EVERYTHING ELSE IS A WASTE OF YOUR TIME

alarian

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