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[System] Wheel Sector Play

Started by Advantage.Player, November 30, 2007, 11:31:56 PM

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hermes

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QuoteAP

Are you scanning the entire wheel for a 1-hit 12-number sector? That would make 37 12-number sectors on a Single-Zero wheel and 38 12-number sectors on a Double-Zero wheel. I think in that theory there are more than enough opportunities to win!

Thanks for this system!

Yup were looking at the whole wheel - this gives us as you said 37 to 38 (according to wheel) possibilities for a sector to play.

@pauljwpa

The 12 number sector is a area of the wheel (12 numbers in size) that is derived from charting the last 25 spins and then looking at the wheel and seeing which group of 12 numbers has the least amount of hits (from 0 to 3 hits to be able to play the system - if you have 0 hits in that sector pretend to play on them and once they hit start betting as according. If you have 2 hits on the sector you can skip this "Waiting for a hit" but it may be more risky and if you have 3 hits on the sector you can start betting after 25 spins of charting).

I had all my papers ready to type up after playing on Dublin bet but i lost them  >:( :'( - ill have to re try my system so the example may be delayed a short while.

Two questions on Advantage.player:
How much bankroll did you need when you were in the deepest sheet?
After charting 25 spins and started to bet for real how many spins in row was the maximum you were loosing without hit?
Thanks, Hermes

bobco

I charted for over an hour and not any 12 numbers on wheel had 0,1 or 2 hits. So the chances to bet can be few.

Advantage.Player

@ Hermes

I started on Dublin Bet with 1000 and were placing 10 bets per number (120 bucks a spin) so i guess you need 100x of your bet per number as your bank.

So @ $1 per number you need a $100 bank roll and $5 per number you need a $500 and roll and at $10 per number you need a $1000 bankroll.

You don't really go for more than 5 spins with out a hit - its just that you may win less than enough to make profit say winning you win less than once every 2 spins; however this is rare as we have waited for 0 - 3 hits on a sector.

Further more the statistical chance of losing 10 times in a row after the 25 spins of qualifying (and assuming 3 hits on the sector on qualifying and none for the other 10 = 35 spins all up) is a mere 0.12648% so i think if have use a one hundredth (as explained above) of your bank roll to bet per number you should be okay.

@ Bobco

You chart for 25 spins then do the following...

A) if you have 0 hits in the sector wait until the sector is hit then bet accordingly.

B) if you have 1 hits you may chose to skip this waiting but at more risky (i normally still wait for another hit)

OR

C) if you have 3 hits skip waiting and start betting.

Also you may choose after charting to just take the least hit sector  - while this will work you end up having to quit earlier if the least hit sector has like 4 or 5 hits - in this case skip waiting for another hit too.

GUTCH

AP

Firstly let me apologise up front because this is going to be a long post. I have used a series of actual spins and have used your system six times using twenty-fie number blocks for tracking. meaning that the second lot of numbers tracked is actually the first half of the numbers I bet on the first session. Hope that makes sense. Note that the oder is from the bottom and upwards. The columns didn't paste inline properly but I'm sure you'll be able to follow. So here goes...

SESSION 1

No. of Spins      No. Hit       Win / Loss       Running Total
50      25        -$120.00        $840.00
49        26       $240.00        $960.00
48      9        -$120.00        $720.00
47      0       $240.00        $840.00
46        13      -$120.00        $600.00
45      19        -$120.00        $720.00
44      34        -$120.00        $840.00
43        35       $240.00        $960.00
42      1        -$120.00        $720.00
41      25        -$120.00        $840.00
40      27        -$120.00        $960.00
39      18         $240.00        $1,080.00
38        26       $240.00        $840.00
37        28       $240.00        $600.00
36        26       $240.00        $360.00
35        2      -$120.00        $120.00
34        15       $240.00        $240.00
33        35       $240.00        $-  
32      7         $240.00       -$240.00
31        20      -$120.00       -$480.00
30      30        -$120.00       -$360.00
29        13      -$120.00       -$240.00
28        15       $240.00       -$120.00
27      9        -$120.00       -$360.00
26      21        -$120.00       -$240.00
25      0       $240.00       -$120.00
24      7         $240.00       -$360.00
23        31      -$120.00       -$600.00
22      36        -$120.00       -$480.00
21      23        -$120.00       -$360.00
20        28       $240.00       -$240.00
19      25        -$120.00       -$480.00
18        8      -$120.00       -$360.00
17        6      -$120.00       -$240.00
16        8      -$120.00       -$120.00
15        13      -$120.00        $-  
14      9        -$120.00        $120.00
13        26       $240.00        $240.00
12        29       $240.00        $-  
11      27        -$120.00       -$240.00
10      27        -$120.00       -$120.00
9        35       $240.00        $-  
8        15       $240.00       -$240.00
7        33      -$120.00       -$480.00
6      27        -$120.00       -$360.00
5        8      -$120.00       -$240.00
4      21        -$120.00       -$120.00
3      21        -$120.00        $-  
2        29       $240.00        $120.00
1        4      -$120.00       -$120.00
25      14              
24        33            
23        33            
22        4            
21        6            
20        8            
19        2            
18      16              
17        24            
16        6            
15      25              
14      23              
13      0            
12        20      
11      19        
10        20      
9        13      
8      5        
7      26      
6      26      
5      10      
4      3        
3      22      
2      36        
1      31      

For the above, the numbers bet on are 0      3      7      12      15      18      22      26      28      29      32      35
with five hits falling in them. Not a bad result, let's continue...

SESSION 2

No. of Spins      No. Hit       Win / Loss       Running Total
50        22       $240.00       -$1,320.00
49      9         $240.00       -$1,560.00
48      19        -$120.00       -$1,800.00
47        35      -$120.00       -$1,680.00
46        24       $240.00       -$1,560.00
45      32        -$120.00       -$1,800.00
44        15      -$120.00       -$1,680.00
43        2      -$120.00       -$1,560.00
42      25        -$120.00       -$1,440.00
41      23        -$120.00       -$1,320.00
40        20       $240.00       -$1,200.00
39      21        -$120.00       -$1,440.00
38        20       $240.00       -$1,320.00
37        17      -$120.00       -$1,560.00
36        33       $240.00       -$1,440.00
35        11      -$120.00       -$1,680.00
34        4      -$120.00       -$1,560.00
33      16         $240.00       -$1,440.00
32      0      -$120.00       -$1,680.00
31      34        -$120.00       -$1,560.00
30      7        -$120.00       -$1,440.00
29        15      -$120.00       -$1,320.00
28        33       $240.00       -$1,200.00
27      21        -$120.00       -$1,440.00
26        26      -$120.00       -$1,320.00
25      25        -$120.00       -$1,200.00
24        26      -$120.00       -$1,080.00
23      9         $240.00       -$960.00
22      0      -$120.00       -$1,200.00
21        13      -$120.00       -$1,080.00
20      19        -$120.00       -$960.00
19      34        -$120.00       -$840.00
18        35      -$120.00       -$720.00
17      1         $240.00       -$600.00
16      25        -$120.00       -$840.00
15      27        -$120.00       -$720.00
14      18         $240.00       -$600.00
13        26      -$120.00       -$840.00
12        28      -$120.00       -$720.00
11        26      -$120.00       -$600.00
10        2      -$120.00       -$480.00
9        15      -$120.00       -$360.00
8        35      -$120.00       -$240.00
7      7        -$120.00       -$120.00
6        20       $240.00        $-  
5      30        -$120.00       -$240.00
4        13      -$120.00       -$120.00
3        15      -$120.00        $-  
2      9         $240.00        $120.00
1      21        -$120.00       -$120.00
25      0            
24      7              
23        31            
22      36              
21      23              
20        28            
19      25              
18        8            
17        6            
16        8            
15        13            
14      9              
13        26            
12        29      
11      27        
10      27        
9        35      
8        15      
7        33      
6      27        
5        8      
4      21        
3      21        
2        29      
1        4      

Numbers bet on are 1      5      9      10      14      16      18      20      22      24      31      33
with three hits within this sector. Note the poor result and that the running total was never in the positive. Have I done something wrong here? Moving on...


GUTCH

SESSION 3

No. of Spins      No. Hit       Win / Loss       Running Total
50      7        -$120.00       -$600.00
49        33       $240.00       -$480.00
48        33       $240.00       -$720.00
47      34        -$120.00       -$960.00
46        33       $240.00       -$840.00
45        20       $240.00       -$1,080.00
44        13      -$120.00       -$1,320.00
43      3        -$120.00       -$1,200.00
42        22      -$120.00       -$1,080.00
41        24       $240.00       -$960.00
40      0      -$120.00       -$1,200.00
39      25        -$120.00       -$1,080.00
38      36        -$120.00       -$960.00
37      25        -$120.00       -$840.00
36        4      -$120.00       -$720.00
35        29      -$120.00       -$600.00
34        35      -$120.00       -$480.00
33      9        -$120.00       -$360.00
32      0      -$120.00       -$240.00
31        6      -$120.00       -$120.00
30        11       $240.00        $-  
29      27        -$120.00       -$240.00
28      36        -$120.00       -$120.00
27        31      -$120.00        $-  
26        20       $240.00        $120.00
25        22      -$120.00       -$120.00
24      9        -$120.00        $-  
23      19        -$120.00        $120.00
22        35      -$120.00        $240.00
21        24       $240.00        $360.00
20      32        -$120.00        $120.00
19        15      -$120.00        $240.00
18        2      -$120.00        $360.00
17      25        -$120.00        $480.00
16      23         $240.00        $600.00
15        20       $240.00        $360.00
14      21        -$120.00        $120.00
13        20       $240.00        $240.00
12        17      -$120.00        $-  
11        33       $240.00        $120.00
10        11       $240.00       -$120.00
9        4      -$120.00       -$360.00
8      16         $240.00       -$240.00
7      0      -$120.00       -$480.00
6      34        -$120.00       -$360.00
5      7        -$120.00       -$240.00
4        15      -$120.00       -$120.00
3        33       $240.00        $-  
2      21        -$120.00       -$240.00
1        26      -$120.00       -$120.00
25      25              
24        26            
23      9              
22      0            
21        13            
20      19              
19      34              
18        35            
17      1              
16      25              
15      27              
14      18              
13        26            
12        28      
11        26      
10        2      
9        15      
8        35      
7      7        
6        20      
5      30        
4        13      
3        15      
2      9        
1      21        

Numbers bet on are 1      5      8      10      11      14      16      20      23      24      30      33
With three hits within this sector. The best results were withint he first thirty bets. Although I don't believe that this is when you suggest to stop and take your winnings. Perhaps you can explain it...

SESSION 4

No. of Spins      No. Hit       Win / Loss       Running Total
50      30         $240.00       -$240.00
49      1        -$120.00       -$480.00
48      0      -$120.00       -$360.00
47      16         $240.00       -$240.00
46      14        -$120.00       -$480.00
45      16         $240.00       -$360.00
44      12        -$120.00       -$600.00
43      21        -$120.00       -$480.00
42      18        -$120.00       -$360.00
41        10       $240.00       -$240.00
40      16         $240.00       -$480.00
39      23         $240.00       -$720.00
38      3        -$120.00       -$960.00
37        15      -$120.00       -$840.00
36        24       $240.00       -$720.00
35      5         $240.00       -$960.00
34      0      -$120.00       -$1,200.00
33        17      -$120.00       -$1,080.00
32        20      -$120.00       -$960.00
31        15      -$120.00       -$840.00
30      0      -$120.00       -$720.00
29        29      -$120.00       -$600.00
28      23         $240.00       -$480.00
27        31      -$120.00       -$720.00
26      32        -$120.00       -$600.00
25      7        -$120.00       -$480.00
24        33      -$120.00       -$360.00
23        33      -$120.00       -$240.00
22      34        -$120.00       -$120.00
21        33      -$120.00        $-  
20        20      -$120.00        $120.00
19        13       $240.00        $240.00
18      3        -$120.00        $-  
17        22      -$120.00        $120.00
16        24       $240.00        $240.00
15      0      -$120.00        $-  
14      25        -$120.00        $120.00
13      36         $240.00        $240.00
12      25        -$120.00        $-  
11        4      -$120.00        $120.00
10        29      -$120.00        $240.00
9        35      -$120.00        $360.00
8      9        -$120.00        $480.00
7      0      -$120.00        $600.00
6        6       $240.00        $720.00
5        11       $240.00        $480.00
4      27         $240.00        $240.00
3      36         $240.00        $-  
2        31      -$120.00       -$240.00
1        20      -$120.00       -$120.00
25        22            
24      9              
23      19              
22        35            
21        24            
20      32              
19        15            
18        2            
17      25              
16      23              
15        20            
14      21              
13        20            
12        17      
11        33      
10        11      
9        4      
8      16        
7      0      
6      34        
5      7        
4        15      
3        33      
2      21        
1        26      

Numbers bet on are 5      6      8      10      11      13      16      23      24      27      30      36
Four hits within this sector. Again, positive result only within first twenty bets. This is incorrect no?

GUTCH

SESSION 5

No. of Spins      No. Hit       Win / Loss       Running Total
50        15       $240.00        $840.00
49      7        -$120.00        $600.00
48      27        -$120.00        $720.00
47        33      -$120.00        $840.00
46        13      -$120.00        $960.00
45        11      -$120.00        $1,080.00
44      19         $240.00        $1,200.00
43      1        -$120.00        $960.00
42        26       $240.00        $1,080.00
41        13      -$120.00        $840.00
40      5        -$120.00        $960.00
39        28       $240.00        $1,080.00
38        33      -$120.00        $840.00
37        28       $240.00        $960.00
36        2       $240.00        $720.00
35      32         $240.00        $480.00
34        29      -$120.00        $240.00
33        29      -$120.00        $360.00
32        22      -$120.00        $480.00
31        4       $240.00        $600.00
30        6      -$120.00        $360.00
29        22      -$120.00        $480.00
28      19         $240.00        $600.00
27        35       $240.00        $360.00
26      27        -$120.00        $120.00
25      30        -$120.00        $240.00
24      1        -$120.00        $360.00
23      0       $240.00        $480.00
22      16        -$120.00        $240.00
21      14        -$120.00        $360.00
20      16        -$120.00        $480.00
19      12         $240.00        $600.00
18      21         $240.00        $360.00
17      18        -$120.00        $120.00
16        10      -$120.00        $240.00
15      16        -$120.00        $360.00
14      23        -$120.00        $480.00
13      3         $240.00        $600.00
12        15       $240.00        $360.00
11        24      -$120.00        $120.00
10      5        -$120.00        $240.00
9      0       $240.00        $360.00
8        17      -$120.00        $120.00
7        20      -$120.00        $240.00
6        15       $240.00        $360.00
5      0       $240.00        $120.00
4        29      -$120.00       -$120.00
3      23        -$120.00        $-  
2        31      -$120.00        $120.00
1      32         $240.00        $240.00
25      7              
24        33            
23        33            
22      34              
21        33            
20        20            
19        13            
18      3              
17        22            
16        24            
15      0            
14      25              
13      36              
12      25        
11        4      
10        29      
9        35      
8      9        
7      0      
6        6      
5        11      
4      27        
3      36        
2        31      
1        20      

Numbers bet on are 0      2      3      4      12      15      19      21      26      28      32      35
Five hits within sector. This worked out well, better than the others with three or four hits. Can you explain this? And finally...

SESSION 6

No. of Spins      No. Hit       Win / Loss       Running Total
50      36         $240.00        $2,640.00
49      27         $240.00        $2,400.00
48        28      -$120.00        $2,160.00
47      12        -$120.00        $2,280.00
46        24      -$120.00        $2,400.00
45      9        -$120.00        $2,520.00
44      27         $240.00        $2,640.00
43        31      -$120.00        $2,400.00
42        6       $240.00        $2,520.00
41      18        -$120.00        $2,280.00
40      34         $240.00        $2,400.00
39      12        -$120.00        $2,160.00
38      36         $240.00        $2,280.00
37      27         $240.00        $2,040.00
36      3        -$120.00        $1,800.00
35        33      -$120.00        $1,920.00
34        6       $240.00        $2,040.00
33      25         $240.00        $1,800.00
32      16        -$120.00        $1,560.00
31      34         $240.00        $1,680.00
30        4       $240.00        $1,440.00
29        13       $240.00        $1,200.00
28      25         $240.00        $960.00
27        15      -$120.00        $720.00
26        11       $240.00        $840.00
25        15      -$120.00        $600.00
24      7        -$120.00        $720.00
23      27         $240.00        $840.00
22        33      -$120.00        $600.00
21        13       $240.00        $720.00
20        11       $240.00        $480.00
19      19         $240.00        $240.00
18      1        -$120.00        $-  
17        26      -$120.00        $120.00
16        13       $240.00        $240.00
15      5        -$120.00        $-  
14        28      -$120.00        $120.00
13        33      -$120.00        $240.00
12        28      -$120.00        $360.00
11        2       $240.00        $480.00
10      32        -$120.00        $240.00
9        29      -$120.00        $360.00
8        29      -$120.00        $480.00
7        22      -$120.00        $600.00
6        4       $240.00        $720.00
5        6       $240.00        $480.00
4        22      -$120.00        $240.00
3      19         $240.00        $360.00
2        35      -$120.00        $120.00
1      27         $240.00        $240.00
25      30              
24      1              
23      0            
22      16              
21      14              
20      16              
19      12              
18      21              
17      18              
16        10            
15      16              
14      23              
13      3              
12        15      
11        24      
10      5        
9      0      
8        17      
7        20      
6        15      
5      0      
4        29      
3      23        
2        31      
1      32        

Numbers bet on are 2      4      6      11      13      17      19      21      25      27      34      36
ONly two hits in this sector. This did very well and I was beter off not waiting for a hit before betting. Obviously this is the best way to go I'm thinking, yet it may take a while to rack and wait for a twenty-five number session with a twelve number sector with two or less hits.

I hope this was helpful to people out there and I look foward to reading AP's responses.

Thanks for putting up with all of this.

Advantage.Player

Last game was great but some of the others confused me a bit - i've never had results like that before  :-?

Ill go over and check the sectors you've chose to play for each game and see if its the one i would have chose but then again it could be that this system has failed since NOTHING is infallible in roulette (unfortunately).


GUTCH

AP

It may need to be revised to only be used where a player tracks until there is a sector with two or less hits. That's assuming what I have done above is correct.

Advantage.Player

Seems to me that on the games where you lost the "best sector" i could find had at least 3 hits. Its best to play on a sector with no hits to a max of 3 hits with; 3 hits being a risk if your going to play it like that.

However; ATM I'm testing a new system based on a similar theory which looks like it works great - ive had better experience's then with wheel sector play. Ill let you know how it works out in the near future.

EDIT: So yes revising it to 0 - 2 hits is better but if you choose to play with 3 hits u must acknowledge the added risk seeing as 3 hits after 25 spins is something like a 1.4% of getting less hits (ie losing) - which in roulette terms is a huge amount (think of the 2.6% house edge - seems small ye no one has beat it).

GUTCH

AP

Can't wait to see it as I think you're onto something.

Advantage.Player

turns out the system i was testing lost but if i change some rules so that i stop at either -50 units for +150 units that way i only have to win a third of the time to be square (even) and slightly more for profit.

hermes

Quoteturns out the system i was testing lost but if i change some rules so that i stop at either -50 units for +150 units that way i only have to win a third of the time to be square (even) and slightly more for profit.

What about to use a flat progression on the first system and put win limit e.g. $400, -. After charting 25 spins I would bet after first hit, not second or third. Too late.
How long it takes after 25 spins of charting to get the first hit?
Thanks, Hermes

Advantage.Player

As long as the wheel wants it to be  ::) its not something you can predict

GUTCH

Perhaps I spoke too soon and this system is not as good as I first thought. Please see the following. Once again remember that it starts at the bottom...

No of Spins  Number    Result        Cummulative Total
50        10      -$120.00       -$960.00
49        4       $240.00       -$840.00
48        13      -$120.00       -$1,080.00
47        24      -$120.00       -$960.00
46      5        -$120.00       -$840.00
45        29      -$120.00       -$720.00
44        10      -$120.00       -$600.00
43        15       $240.00       -$480.00
42        11      -$120.00       -$720.00
41        20      -$120.00       -$600.00
40        11      -$120.00       -$480.00
39      12         $240.00       -$360.00
38      5        -$120.00       -$600.00
37      21         $240.00       -$480.00
36        15       $240.00       -$720.00
35      19         $240.00       -$960.00
34      1        -$120.00       -$1,200.00
33        4       $240.00       -$1,080.00
32      5        -$120.00       -$1,320.00
31        15       $240.00       -$1,200.00
30        33      -$120.00       -$1,440.00
29        35       $240.00       -$1,320.00
28      5        -$120.00       -$1,560.00
27        2      -$120.00       -$1,440.00
26      25        -$120.00       -$1,320.00
25      14        -$120.00       -$1,200.00
24        28       $240.00       -$1,080.00
23      32         $240.00       -$1,320.00
22      1        -$120.00       -$1,560.00
21        29      -$120.00       -$1,440.00
20      14        -$120.00       -$1,320.00
19        31      -$120.00       -$1,200.00
18        8      -$120.00       -$1,080.00
17        35       $240.00       -$960.00
16        2      -$120.00       -$1,200.00
15        10      -$120.00       -$1,080.00
14      34        -$120.00       -$960.00
13      3         $240.00       -$840.00
12      36        -$120.00       -$1,080.00
11      3         $240.00       -$960.00
10      36        -$120.00       -$1,200.00
9      14        -$120.00       -$1,080.00
8        10      -$120.00       -$960.00
7        2      -$120.00       -$840.00
6      34        -$120.00       -$720.00
5        31      -$120.00       -$600.00
4        10      -$120.00       -$480.00
3        33      -$120.00       -$360.00
2      34        -$120.00       -$240.00
1        11      -$120.00       -$120.00
62        2            
61        10            
60        31            
59        24            
58      25              
57        10            
56        24            
55      32              
54        2            
53        29            
52        10            
51      5              
50        31            
49      25              
48        22            
47        24            
46        6            
45      30              
44        13            
43        2            
42        20            
41      5              
40      9              
39      5              
38      12              
37      32              
36      21              
35      3              
34      9              
33      21              
32      0            
31        15            
30        28            
29      27              
28      16              
27      1              
26      18              
25      32              
24      12              
23      21              
22        10            
21      0            
20      34              
19        17            
18        4            
17        29            
16      1              
15        17            
14        8            
13      32              
12        29            
11      1              
10      7              
9        26            
8      23              
7        29            
6        28            
5      3              
4      9              
3      19              
2      27              
1      25        

Note that it required sixty-two spins before a group of twenty-five landings contained a twelve number sector with two or less hits.

This was meant to be the safe way to play. Either this was just that one in a million bad loss or this system needs to be revisited and improved if possible.      

GUTCH

Forgot to add that the numbers bet on in the above case were...

0,3,4,7,12,15,19,21,26,28,32,35

GUTCH

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