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viper5

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HI
i  don t want to be negative here.....
i just wanted to tell u my resaults!

i didn t track  33 spins!
i started just placing random 15 chips in 15 nums....

i won 5 times in a row!

so +105 chips in 5 spins!

do u know why????
1st couse roulette doesn t have memory and 2nd couse is random
the only reson that we win is couse we bet 17 nums!!!!(imagine ..i betted only 15!)
so the tracking is soooooo unneserary....only waste of time!

i hope i helped!

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viper5

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Thanks mate!!!
i like smart ppl!!!!!

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I don't know, I'm just asking.  As was pointed out the logic of the system is "in 37 spins the average hit numbers is 24.  so if after 33 spins we have 20 hit numbers or less, we can use this to our advantage."  It sort of makes sense... or does it?  I think it's a good discussion and I would like to see opinions (from all sides of the camp.)


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I know from experience though that this is what happens...  say you are looking at all the runs of the even chances... you find out that runs of 1 hit the most so you think ok after black hits once I'll bet red--- but then you find out that all the runs greater than one (runs of 2 + runs of 3 + runs of 4, etc..) are equal to all the runs of 1 and the house edge gets you.  If you think well I'll bet red only after black hits 8 times, then you find out you bet less but all the losses to runs of 9 + 10 + 11 etc will equal the same amount of wins betting against a run of 8.  If you wait even longer and say I will only bet red after black hits 10 times in a row, you will bet even less but you will lose to all the runs of black that are greater than 10.  The same problem could happen here.... you are waiting and waiting for a certain situation, so you miss all the winning bets while you are waiting, make less bets, and can still lose to the total of all runs that can still beat you.

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Hey Simon,

That sounds just like roulette, mate.

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well we are discussing the logic of the system, and if it will hold up

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Hi Rjeaton,

1) Is it possible to tweak the system for a non-zero wheel, as I have funds in betvoyager.com ? What would be the changes ?

2) Which casino do you recommend for non-US player (as we may bet 0,01 chips) ?

3) Did you receive the results of my 2 tests ? What was wrong ? Thanks!! (you may PM me for that)

The best for you!!!

Cheers,
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viper5

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Only simon is the smart in this thread!

well done simon!!!!!

the others must do this:
1+1=2
etc!!!!

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well we are discussing the logic of the system, and if it will hold up

Course it won't, not in the long run. How does it compensate for fluctuations, deviation, clustering and all the rest of the unexpected things randomness does? This is a classic system that works for a few thousand spins then fails. It's too heavily reliant on randomness conditions to be perfect. By all means test it. When it fails you've got something that doesn't work, so you've moved one step closer to finding something that does work.

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I  don t want to be negative here.....
I just wanted to tell u my resaults!

I didn t track  33 spins!
I started just placing random 15 chips in 15 nums....

I won 5 times in a row!

so +105 chips in 5 spins!

do u know why????
1st couse roulette doesn t have memory and 2nd couse is random
the only reson that we win is couse we bet 17 nums!!!!(imagine ..I betted only 15!)
so the tracking is soooooo unneserary....only waste of time!

I hope I helped!

Alright, this is going to be a long post as I have to respond to some things said viper and number 6.  As well as answer some questions that were asked.  The questions are answered at the end.

First, in response to the post above.  I can show you about 1 million systems that don't lose in the first 5 spins.  So far in my testing this system came out +500 units after 1,100 spins.  I am currently at over 500 spins at Go Casino and am also at +500 units.  (Granted, I know that amount of spins isn't anything in the grand scheme of things) but before you come here and post your results as to why this system fails, come here with actuals showing it fails...not words.

Number Six:  I have been playing the game of roulette for a long time, and I know it's random and all that.  I'll give you this example:
Imagine there were a table that didn't have a table limit.  Now imagine you have 1 million dollars to waste, you don't care if its won or lost.  You sit down at a table and begin to place a bet on every number that is thrown starting at spin one, then using a progression that takes you all the way out to spin thirty seven.  Do you know what % you have to win if you have enough money to follow the system out to spin 37?........100%.

Anybody who says that statement is false is crazy.  I nor will anybody else here ever see 37 different numbers come out in 37 spins.  This has been proven.

All my system is taking advantage of is the fact that only 20 numbers coming out in 37 spins has a very small chance of occuring (although it does happen, yes I understand that).  In fact, if you look at my results for the Go Casino testing, I have lost 2 sessions using this system.  End result?  I'm still +500 units, because on a loss I only lose 136 units and the wins come significantly more often than the losses.

As to some questions asked:

"you leave the bets on the table for four spins" - I used faulty verbiage again here and forgot to say that if you win bets are removed.  The chips being on the table for a max of four spins was meant to illustrate the fact that when you lose, you accept the loss as just that a loss and take your chips off.  So, on a win you start the system over.  A loss means you only bet 4 times, didn't win, then you start the system over.

"Simon (my synopsis of your post) Are we missing too many winning opportunties due to waiting" - we're actually missing a ton of betting opportunities waiting as long as we are to bet (I.E. - only 19 different numbers at spin thirty for instance, or 10 different numbers at spin 18 etc.).  The only problem with these opportunites, to provide you with a win means you have to follow the progression all the way out to spin 37.  The amount of money you would have to put in play betting on 19 different numbers for 7 spins is a lot less beneficial to your BR then the system as it stands now.

However, as i said in my last system's post, I am open to and encourage testing of the system the way I have said, then testing it with your thoughts and ideas, and posting your results as to what has happened and which is better.  So if you can come up with a way to bet more often and still win as consistently, then by all means post it.

As for the naysayers, I have no problem with you guys and your opposition to systems.  But please, before coming here and disrupting the thread and being very, very discouraging, come here with testing results showing it fails...not only words.  I can come up with a lot of words, to say a lot of things, but until I prove them (and show that I've proven them) my words mean nothing.

Just my opinion.

viper5

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@ number 6 ...well done

@rj
i don t have the time and the reason and the appetite to test a system that I KNOw will fail!

if u have them.....then do the same tests by betting 17 nums for 4 spins withought tracking anuthinf!!!!! and u will see that u will have the same resaults.....

do u know why????

couse u are betting a hell LOT of nums and couse Roulette doesn t have memorie
(tracking is just for the begginers and the ppl that doesn t have the brain to understand that tracking is a hole in the water!!!
when will u understand that????

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The only problem with these opportunites, to provide you with a win means you have to follow the progression all the way out to spin 37.  The amount of money you would have to put in play betting on 19 different numbers for 7 spins is a lot less beneficial to your BR then the system as it stands now.

........ oh, now I see what your thinking is.  ok well you know I mean no disrespect because I know you are open to questions and constructive criticism.  and I really appreciate your generosity in sharing your work (and helping me understand your systems.)

viper5

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I was going to post that

simon and number 6 understands....

but only number 6 understands!

lol

RJ
if u can t understand(which u don t)
test the way i told u for 1100 spins...and u will see that u will have the same resaults!

 

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