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[John Gold]

Regarding my daily Betvoyager challenge.....

I tried to deposit money into there yesterday but it would not allow it for some reason. Today it was working fine, so I will have my first game when I get back from the gym this evening.

I will be using the 'gr8player' progression if needed, lol. Some games are easier than others and I can just flat bet all the way through. I don't really have a profit target in mind. I will just go with the flow and see where it ends up in a few months. I am starting with a 1000 unit bankroll which should be more than enough considering I am going to be using strict guidelines for when to bet.

I will write everything down as I am playing each game and post it up with my bets. It should give a clear idea as to what I am doing.

cheers

[Nathan Detroit]

 the gr8players progression ? Who is this cat?


Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!

[John Gold]

the gr8players progression ? Who is this cat?


Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!

He used to post on Gamblers glen up until about last year. He preferred cards to roulette but his 'gr8player' progression works really well on my street method.

[John Gold]

ok, I played the first session at betvoyager and quit the game at 8 units ahead. I quit early so I could post up the session and run through it. Too many numbers may have made it confusing. This session consists of 24 spins.

8 = 3.
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25 = 9.
32 = 11.
6 = 2.
13 = 5.
20 = 7.
20 = 7.  1/4/10. WON.
29 = 10.  1/4/9. WON.  (GROUP 1)
19 = 7.  1/4/8. LOST.
5 = 2.  1/4/8. WON.  (GROUP 4)
7 = 3.  4/8/11. LOST.
10 = 4.  5/8/11. WON.  (GROUP 4)
34 = 12.  5/10/11. WON.
2 = 1.  5/6/10. LOST.  (GROUP 2)  (MISSING GROUP 3) 
34 = 12.  5/6/10. LOST. (BET ON 4,5,6,7,9,10) – 6.
8 = 3.  5/6/10. WON  (GROUP 4) (BET ON 1,2,5,6,8,9,10) +5. (-1)
25 = 9. (3) 2/5/10. LOST. (BET ON 1,2,5,7,8,10,11) -7. (-8)
11 = 4. (7) 2/5/10. LOST.  (GROUP 3)  (MISSING GROUP 1) (BET ON 2,3,5,6,7,9,10) -7. (-15)
1 = 1.  2/5/10. LOST. (BET ON 1,4,7,8,9,12) +6. (-9)
34 = 12. (11) 2/5/10. LOST.  (GROUP 3) (BET ON 1,3,6,8,9,12) +6. (-3)
26 = 9. (6,9) 2/5/10. WON. (BET ON 3,4,6,9,12) -5. (-8)
2 = 1. (4,5) 2/8/10. LOST.  (GROUP 2) (BET ON 1,4,7,12) +8. (LEVEL)
2 = 1. (1,12) 2/8/10. LOST.   (BET ON 1,4,7,12) +8. (+8)  STOPPED GAME HERE.
34 = 12. (1,11,12) 2/8/10.

explanation to follow......

[Nathan Detroit]

John ,

Thanks, I was wondering  that you mentioned  gr8player because I recall someone    with that name as a baccarat
aficionado  rather than a roulette  player.

Check your PM for  details.l

Thanks.

Nathan  Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!

[John Gold]

If you are unfamiliar with the street method, go to page 5 of the blog. There are a few pages explaining everything in detail.

So moving on to the session I just played....

The first missing group was the '3' This consists of LOSS/LOSS. So I am guaranteed to see a WIN in at least one result of each subsequent pair should the '3' group remain missing. I prefer playing this situation over any other. Some of the winning runs are unbelievable.

So I lost the first bet and hit the second bet leaving me at -1.

Unfortunately the missing '3' group hit on the very next pair. This resulted in two further losses and now had me down to -15. I thought at this stage that I would be getting an early chance to show off the 'gr8player' progression, lol.

So now the missing group was '1'. This consists of WIN/WIN. So I am guaranteed to see a LOSS in at least one of the subsequent pair should the '1' group remain missing.  4 of the last 5 results had all being LOSS and so I was optomistic that it could be a run of LOSS forming. One advantage to this is the lower outlay for this particular bet. The average is about 5 chips a bet. So just a few wins more than losses can soon see you recoup if you are already down a few units.

Luckily the next group was a '3' giving me the two LOSS results that I was hoping for. It brought the total back to a more respectable looking -3. Now I was just hoping it could stay on par and maybe just hit one in each of the next few pairs and that would still be enough to take me into some kind of profit.

The next group out was '2' which gave me another 3 units taking me back to level and then I hit another LOSS on the first result of the next pair giving me 8 units and taking me into an 8 unit gain. I called it quits here.

The missing '1' group can give you some really nice profits if you keep hitting group '3'. This can make you between 12-16 units profit on each subsequent pair that it comes out. Even group '2' or '4' will more than likely see you coming out with a profit each time they appear. The 1 is the most likely group to appear at anytime but it can have spells where it goes missing for 10+ groups and the profits rack up.

Well, that is a brief summary of how the session panned out. I will continue to post up the results and write a brief report on how I tackled each session. It is a great method/strategy which can pay dividends if you work it using common sense.

[John Gold]

10 = 4.
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27 = 9.
14 = 5.
7 = 3.
2 = 1.
22 = 8.
15 = 5.
10 = 4.  2/6/12. LOSS.
9 = 3.  2/6/12. WON.  (GROUP 4)
36 = 12.  1/2/6. WON.
27 = 9.  1/2/7. WON.  (GROUP 1)
28 = 10.  2/7/8. WON.
25 = 9.  5/7/8. WON.  (GROUP 1)
20 = 7.  3/5/8. WON.
5 = 2.  5/8/12. WON.  (GROUP 1)
25 = 9.  6/8/12. WON.
34 = 12.  1/8/11. LOSS.  (GROUP 2)  (MISSING GROUP 3)
26 = 9.  1/8/11. WON. (BET 1,4,5,8,10,11) +6. (+6)
13 = 5.  4/10/11. WON.  (GROUP 1) (BET 1,3,4,9,10,11) +6. (+12)
7 = 3.  2/4/11. LOSS. (BET 2,4,5,7,11) -5. (+7)
16 = 6.  2/4/11. WON.  (GROUP 4) (BET 1,2,4,5,8,10,11) +5. (+12)
4 = 2.  7/11/12. WON. (BET 1,2,7,8,9,11,12) +5. (+17)
25 = 9.   1/11/12. WON. (GROUP 1) (BET 1,4,5,8,9,10,11,12) +4. (+21)
2 = 1.  10/11/12. LOSS. (BET 1,6,7,10,11,12) -6. (+15)
22 = 8. (7,9) 10/11/12. WON. (GROUP 4) (BET 5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) +4. (+19)
17 = 6. (6) 3/11/12. WON. (BET 3,5,6,8,9,11,12) +5. (+24)
13 = 5. (5,10,11) 2/3/12. WON.  (GROUP 1) (BET 2,3,5,6,7,8,12) +5. (+29)
23 = 8. (1,3,8) 2/4/12.

This was a good session winning 29 units taking my total up to +37 after 2 sessions.
My favourite scenario of the missing '3' group appeared and it never came out for the remainder of the session.
Here is a breakdown of the 10 groups that did appear.

Group 1 = 6.
Group 2 = 1.
Group 3 = 0.
Group 4 = 3.

Any long string of group 1 and 4 or 1 and 2 will guarantee some good profits.

The pairs produced the following.

L/W.
W/W.
W/W.
W/W.
W/L.
W/W.
L/W.
W/W.
L/W.
W/W.

So there were some really dominant W streaks on the first and second results of the pairs. It pays to look out for these trends (and of course their opposite) I often just bet for one result to appear in the pair if it is completely dominant. It is not a bad idea just to look for the STRONGEST bet and follow it. You are only risking one bet to find out.

p.s. Just noticed myself that the W hit 9/10 in the second result of each pair. It is not uncommon for such trends to occur. One of the secrets of success is to be able to detatch yourself from the emotions of gambling and have a good overview of what is happening. You will be surprised what you see.

[dennisbelle]

John,
   Regarding your MARKING TEMPLATE+BETTING CHART on page 5 may I ask what is the logic in how the streets were selected?  For instance if the last two spins were streets 5 & 4 your chart selects streets 4, 10, 11 as the marked streets, can you explain why streets 10 and 11 were selected?  I am trying to understand the connection here.  Also do you think this method is suitable for the double zero wheel?
Thanks,
Dennis

[John Gold]

Hello Dennis,

I will try and give you an example.

Suppose streets 10,11 and 12 had not come out for a while and you were going to bet for that to continue. (also assume the current street showing is 6) Now normally you would bet the other 9 streets which would be 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9.

Using my approach would only see you betting streets 1,2,3,7,9. So that is only 5 streets compared to 9.

Also take into account that I have used my 'three column approach'. You will get long periods where matching sets of numbers dissapear in all three columns. Now when this happens, it makes sense to me to take advantage and only place the 5 chip bet instead of a 9 chip bet.

The bad runs as we all know is what kills a player even when you have loads of chips on the table. By using the type of 'analysis tool' that I have presented here can really help someone isolate cases where you can put down less and still go on some good winning streaks.


Of course the opposite of the above is when you are hoping to see one of your three streets appear. Once again, suppose you are betting this time for the 10,11 and 12 to appear. Ok, you are betting more than three chips (it can range from about 5-9) But the three streets will have dissapeared from ALL three columns for a number of spins. All my records show some amazing win streaks where they just keep hitting spin after spin.

It is important to point out that this is not so much a fixed mechanical bet but all the strategies incorporated into it gives you the ammunition to go after anything that you can see is working well at the time. It is the players job to look for it and take advantage from it.

This could be played on a double zero wheel and you would not need to change a thing. You would just ignore any 0 or 00 that appeared. (Thank god for betvoyager)

I hope that explains things a bit better.  

ps. I have tinkered about with ideas for years and I can honestly say I have not seen anything with the ability to go on sustained winning runs as this when that '3' group is missing.

[dennisbelle]

Thank you!

[John Gold]

no problem!

As an other example looking at the following screenshot.


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The 5 still has no hit. The 12 has only hit once and the 2 has only hit once.

The 2, 5 and 12 has not hit for 8 spins.

It is the up and down swings that catch people out in this game. I think my approach can give me a better insight of what's going on in a game and give me the chance to take advantage. (I always was a glass half full kind of guy  )

[John Gold]

Here is a slight variation. You can use the same MARKING TEMPLATE + BETTING CHART for this as you would for the street method.

You will need to look at the following picture.

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You will notice that the 6 and 12 streets have not appeared at all. Anyone reading my ramblings will know that the 12 street can go absent for very long periods of time using my three column approach. You can bet your bottom dollar that there is always another street that is absent along with the 12 for long periods of time.

Well the 6 + 12 are both absent in this picture. How can you take advantage of this situation?

Simple. The first number out in the picture is 5 belonging to street 2.

Go to the betting chart and find 2-1 through to 2-12. Look for all the combinations without a 6 or 12 in it.

You should come up with 1,2,3,47,9,10,11. (8 streets in total to bet)

The next number out was 2 belonging to street 1. WINNER + 4 units.

So now go to the betting chart and find 1-1 through to 1-12. Look for all the combinations without a 6 or 12 in it.

You should come up with 2,3,5,8,9,10,11. (7 streets to bet on)

The next number out was 26 belonging to street 9. WINNER. + 5 UNITS.

To cut a long story short, you end up +28 units on this run.

I have seen spells of 25+ spins where 2 numbers ( one of them is normally the 12) go missing.

What is the reasoning behind it? If you normally wanted to bet against 2 streets coming, it would cost you 10 units.
Playing this way costs you between 7-8. You will still got very LONG runs using the three column approach where 2 streets go missing. You can't play it if you can't see it.

If anyone would like the tracking software I use, give me a shout.  It's free. It just gives you a visual aid to see what is happening and is easier than working it out and writing it all down.

This is just one of many variations but it is a much simpler way of playing than my 'full street method'.

I suppose some kind of progression could work pretty well with the variation mentioned in this post.

[dennisbelle]

John,
   In the above example you begin betting at spin number 2.  There were several empty streets after only one spin so how did you select streets 6 & 12 rather than some of the other empty streets to play?

[John Gold]

Dennis, that was just to show an example.

You could pick any one to go along with the 12 and start from there if you wanted to. Alternatively you could track and see which ones are underperforming. There will always be a few that are lagging behind. You won't go far wrong by including the 12 as one of the two missing streets you are looking for.
I think some kind of progression could work well with this.

cheers.

[dennisbelle]

John,
   These numbers spun up.  13, 9, 22, 32, 2, 6.  The last number was my first bet that won but that left me with only 2 numbers to bet on and since I only had 8 numbers in brackets, what street do I add to make a total of 3 numbers?

[dennisbelle]

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