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What is a trend ?

Started by I have cookies, March 16, 2011, 03:59:09 PM

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I feel some of the replies cover it - so now to my next question and please feel free to pick a number from 1 to 12 based upon your belief what is possibly ? trending !

FLAT BETTING ...

 1) 0.5 Keep looking
 2) 1.0 Keep looking
 3) 1.5 Hint
 4) 2.0 Interesting
 5) 2.5 Good /
 6) 3.0 Very good
 7) 3.5 Super
 8) 4.0 Dream on
 9) 4.5 You wish
10) 5.0 Forget it
11) 5.5 Never in an life time
12) 6.0 The end of roulette as we know it

Explanation:
The number of won units is to be divided by the root from the placed bets.

Just having fun and plz enjoy and dont be so serios about it  :)

MauiSunset

Quote from: ReDsQuaD on March 16, 2011, 07:39:23 PM
What do you mean prove it?? It has been proved. Are you stupid?

Why the hell shal I do research for you? That just proves you have done ZERO research about roulette, you are lazy or plain stupid and your attitude sucks.

If you want proper research, go find it for yourself.

You say math, well roulette cannot be beaten with mathematics. That to me again tells me you have no idea in what you are talking about.

James.


Maybe in your universe RNGs generate trends and patterns that can be used to forecast future winners but not in this universe.

There are no links to any website that offers proof except UFO websites that spout similar nonsense all the time.

You are simply overwhelmed by Gamblers' Fallacy - many have fallen for the insanity.

Do yourself a favor and conduct some kind of test to prove that RNGs produce trends or not - you see 2 Blacks or Reds and how many times does a 3rd show up?  Then try 3 Black/Red and a 4th show up.  You will quickly find out that it's just 50/50.

It's all random and that's why there is the word Random in RNG....

ReDsQuaD

Quote from: Psolaras on March 16, 2011, 08:08:45 PM
Hi !
I was reading this Topic and I am amazed from the post of RedQuad !
So you mean that the game of roulette has been beaten and there is also proof?  :o

Yes that's exactly what i am saying. Why is it so hard to belive?

James.

MauiSunset

Quote from: ReDsQuaD on March 16, 2011, 09:24:01 PM
Yes that's exactly what I am saying. Why is it so hard to belive?

James.

There are many here bragging about beating Roulette - take my challenge and win $25 - that's all the proof we need.

So far only one person has taken the challenge - the $25 prize still stands.

Come on guys, it's easy as pie you say......

ReDsQuaD

Quote from: MauiSunset on March 16, 2011, 09:22:31 PM
Maybe in your universe RNGs generate trends and patterns that can be used to forecast future winners but not in this universe.

There are no links to any website that offers proof except UFO websites that spout similar nonsense all the time.

You are simply overwhelmed by Gamblers' Fallacy - many have fallen for the insanity.

Do yourself a favor and conduct some kind of test to prove that RNGs produce trends or not - you see 2 Blacks or Reds and how many times does a 3rd show up?  Then try 3 Black/Red and a 4th show up.  You will quickly find out that it's just 50/50.

It's all random and that's why there is the word Random in RNG....


You are more stupid than i thought. Do not tell me i am overwhelemed by a gamblers fallcy, i do not gamble.
And what are you talking about RNG? I wasent talking about that. RNG is indeed random, Pyhsical wheels are NOT random. That is my point.

Again i do not use maths, maths cannot beat roulette. You really are stupid to say there are no links, are you for real? Jesus i give up. Seriously what is the point, its not my loss.

James.

ReDsQuaD

Quote from: MauiSunset on March 16, 2011, 09:28:35 PM
There are many here bragging about beating Roulette - take my challenge and win $25 - that's all the proof we need.

So far only one person has taken the challenge - the $25 prize still stands.

Come on guys, it's easy as pie you say......

The ones who who brag about beating this game are lieing. If you win roulette, you never brag. Thats just imature and will get you into trouble.

Winners do not brag, the fake winners do brag.

James.

MauiSunset

Quote from: ReDsQuaD on March 16, 2011, 09:31:27 PM
You are more stupid than I thought. Do not tell me I am overwhelemed by a gamblers fallcy, I do not gamble.
And what are you talking about RNG? I wasent talking about that. RNG is indeed random, Pyhsical wheels are NOT random. That is my point.

Again I do not use maths, maths cannot beat roulette. You really are stupid to say there are no links, are you for real? Jesus I give up. Seriously what is the point, its not my loss.

James.

I pity you if you believe you can beat Roulette with voodoo physics of the wheel, ball, and the dealer's signature.

This stuff is even more crazy than RNG patterns/trends.

darrynf

Quote from: ReDsQuaD on March 16, 2011, 09:34:12 PM
The ones who who brag about beating this game are lieing. If you win roulette, you never brag. Thats just imature and will get you into trouble.

Winners do not brag, the fake winners do brag.

James.

what about if you are a newbie but your system has done well (so far) and you are excited to tell people.
it might be a mistake to do so but it dosent mean they are lieing.

i agree to a certain extinc.

Kelly

Maui there is a small core of maybe 35 - 40 people in the world that makes a sole income from roulette by using physics. Kaisan and his son, Kovacs, Nico Tosa are some of the most famous. Kaisan and his son has lately (3 month ago)  been banned from Grosvenor and Gala Casinos  in London. Kovacs cant play in australia anymore. Tosa is one of the Ritz guys. There is a 5 year old interview with Kaisan here. Warning the translation from german sucks.  

nolinks://nolinks.isa-guide.de/pdf/9649.pdf

You can verify the above names and why they are on observation lists, with any surveillance company.  Its not a secret anymore since they blew their cover (if there ever were one years ago.

PS: A physical total random wheel cannot be beaten this way, and they are getting more and more common.  But what i have noticed lately is that wheels i discarded 2 - 3 years ago is now playable. Wear and tear and casino managements safe feeling after installing the new wheels is working for the players.

MauiSunset

Quote from: Kelly on March 16, 2011, 11:49:53 PM
Maui there is a small core of maybe 35 - 40 people in the world that makes a sole income from roulette by using physics. Kaisan and his son, Kovacs, Nico Tosa are some of the most famous. Kaisan and his son has lately (3 month ago)  been banned from Grosvenor and Gala Casinos  in London. Kovacs cant play in australia anymore. Tosa is one of the Ritz guys. There is a 5 year old interview with Kaisan here. Warning the translation from german sucks.  

nolinks://nolinks.isa-guide.de/pdf/9649.pdf

You can verify the above names and why they are on observation lists, with any surveillance company.  Its not a secret anymore since they blew their cover (if there ever were one years ago.

PS: A physical total random wheel cannot be beaten this way, and they are getting more and more common.  But what I have noticed lately is that wheels I discarded 2 - 3 years ago is now playable. Wear and tear and casino managements safe feeling after installing the new wheels is working for the players.

I read all kinds of things in the press these days - the vast majority designed to sell newspapers and the reputation of the folks in the news.

I read about gamblers who had all kinds of magical systems only to not to be able to demo them and admit they just had a great run of luck.

I put my faith in math and science and I see nothing to any of the ideas that rely on their absence - that includes all the ideas of studying the wheels, ball, and the dealer.

That's just my opinion and will gladly change my mind with verifiable and repeatable examples to the contrary......

Kelly

Its a free world, if you dont believe that the hits mentioned by Kaisan or the Ritz incident or Kovacs taking 200.000 off Burswood i think it was, fine by me. Kaisan took 600.000 alone in my local casino.

Their play is based on science. The ball always leaves the track at a specific wheel with the same speed because of 2 constants. Centrifugal force and gravity. When the gravity becomes more powerfull than the centrifugal force the ball leaves the track. If the wheel has a slight tilt, you now know 2 things. How fast the ball comes down and where on the wheel it will strike. The deflectors is in fact a helping hand here, because it narrows down area where the ball is being catapulted towards the rotor. Im not gonna rewrite the entire tecknik because it is being discussed all over the internet.

A scientific test was conducted on a computer which in reality does the prediction the exact same way a wheelclocker does.  Barnett made a not public video that shows how the computer predicts and its basicly a digital wheelclocker so to speak.

nolinks://cryptome.org/roulette-problem1.pdf

nolinks://cryptome.org/roulette-problem2.pdf

Except from the material from Thorp i dont think you get it much more scientific.

MauiSunset

Quote from: Kelly on March 17, 2011, 12:46:18 AM
Its a free world, if you dont believe that the hits mentioned by Kaisan or the Ritz incident or Kovacs taking 200.000 off Burswood I think it was, fine by me. Kaisan took 600.000 alone in my local casino.

Their play is based on science. The ball always leaves the track at a specific wheel with the same speed because of 2 constants. Centrifugal force and gravity. When the gravity becomes more powerfull than the centrifugal force the ball leaves the track. If the wheel has a slight tilt, you now know 2 things. How fast the ball comes down and where on the wheel it will strike. The deflectors is in fact a helping hand here, because it narrows down area where the ball is being catapulted towards the rotor. Im not gonna rewrite the entire tecknik because it is being discussed all over the internet.

A scientific test was conducted on a computer which in reality does the prediction the exact same way a wheelclocker does.  Barnett made a not public video that shows how the computer predicts and its basicly a digital wheelclocker so to speak.

nolinks://cryptome.org/roulette-problem1.pdf

nolinks://cryptome.org/roulette-problem2.pdf

Except from the material from Thorp I dont think you get it much more scientific.

Twice a day the moon lifts the oceans up several inches to several feet and then lets them down - it's called the tides.  Gravity is constantly changing around us due to the moon and the earth orbits the sun in an elliptical orbit and gravity changes during the year.

These gravitational changes will affect the point where the ball leaves the rim - it might be fractions of a millimeter but the resulting number spun will be impacted to some degree.

Humidity will affect the ball's speed.

Air currents from the air conditioning vents will impact the ball.

Smoke from smokers will settle on the rim and the top of wheel - that changes the balls flight.

Static electricity from rugs will build up and slow down the ball.

The list goes on and on and these changes make a huge difference when they interact with each other.

Oil from the dealer hands and cosmetics will be transferred to the ball and impact the speed of the ball.

There are too many things to consider and thus all of this is meaningless.

I don't believe for a second anyone has the analytical skills nor the computer modeling power at the Roulette Table....

gizmotron

Quote from: MauiSunset on March 17, 2011, 12:24:34 AM
That's just my opinion and will gladly change my mind with verifiable and repeatable examples to the contrary......

There is no way on planet earth that you have past an adequate test of a true critic. You don't make it. You are faking it. I know it.

Kelly

Just for your information, those changes are not big enough to affect the ball enough. There are slight differences in the speed the ball leaves the track with, but its due to the ball running in the track with small kind of residues and dust that also attaches to the ball.  The bounce on the rotor makes much more damage to the prediction than those small speed changes that the ball leaves the track with.

But whatever makes your day. Not much point in trying to convince you. 

MauiSunset

Quote from: Gizmotron on March 17, 2011, 01:04:07 AM
There is no way on planet earth that you have past an adequate test of a true critic. You don't make it. You are faking it. I know it.

OK, show me a link where someone, a true critic, has devised a fool proof way to test a Roulette system?

Where is this fool proof test that the loudest braggarts here keep demanding?  If you can point to such a test I'll use it.

Too many of you have gotten away with bragging about how great Roulette players you are only to cower in the corner when a $25 prize is offered to you to demo what you brag about.  You have pitiful excuse after pitiful excuse.

In your case Gizmo, I still think mommy and daddy won't let you go to the casino by yourself..........

MauiSunset

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