## The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method

Started by Wally Gator, January 04, 2009, 01:05:01 AM

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#### Ronjo

Quote from: Wally Gator on January 08, 2009, 08:24:05 PM
Ronjo,

How many do you want at a time?  I am assuming this is not some kind of a challenge, but rather how you would have played these particular numbers, as they are real numbers from a real wheel at a real casino.  We're using this in an educational format.  Is that correct?

Hi Wally,
Yes that is correct,this is not a challenge but an illustration of how to use this method only,I will go step by step with you on when to lay a bet,and if you can put some constructive critism in as well I will be all ears.I would prefer numbers that were spun by a dealer.
Print out six copies of the diagram and with the 36 #s you have posted mark the six numbers that have come in,that will be six #s on each sheet,write the six #s in order first top to last bottom on the empty column far left of the diagram.
Then highlight the six #s in both the top grid and the bottom grid,as well as an arrow pointing to the numbers on the illustrated wheel.
When you have done that study all six diagrams carefully and tell me what you see,what you will see does not happen all the time but on average out of the six sets of spins you might have four potential bets out of six.
While you think about that I will set up the diagrams and post my findings then we will start to play.
Those of you that play the single 0, copy out the single 0 diagrams and do the same thing,it is exactly the same thing but one less pocket to worry about.

Regards,
Ronjo.

#### Mogwai

Quote from: Wally Gator on January 08, 2009, 08:37:12 PM
Mogwai,

As per the highlighted text it appears that it failed 3 times for you.  Can you please tell me how far you went in the progressions?  Thanks, Wally

Hello Wally,

well I usually stop the session when I am about 100 units in profit, or loosing more than 150 units. I think the furthest I went  once was a 9 step progression. But usually I think I do not go further than 7 steps.

Regards

#### Wally Gator

Hi Ronjo,

OK, did exactly as you said and here are my observations:

1.  Jumps right out that out of the 6 sets, 4 of the 6 sets had numbers that repeated.

2.  From the 1st set of 6, the 2nd group (blue group) is dominant. Had this been continually played for the remaining 30 numbers (using the strategy of playing only for the 6 spins, if you hit in 3 you stop and wait for the next 6 spin cycle) it would have continually won within 3 spins with flat bets.

3.  It appears that a dominant group shift is beginning to take place from the 2nd group (blue group) to the 3rd group (red group) between the 4th and 5th sets of 6.

4.  The bottom of the number chart provides for a record of ball drop distances and possible dealer signature for sectors of the wheel.

Those are my observations.

Wally

#### Wally Gator

Other thing I missed was ...

5.  After the 1st group of 6 using wheel sectors, had you played the 6 numbers (10,25,29,12,8) for the following 30 spins you would have hit 4 of the remaining 5 sets.  If you played the remaining 5 sets flat betting (stopping at a hit and going virtual until the next set) it would have looked like this:

Set 1: 10,29,8 appear ... flat bet 6 numbers 10,25,29,12,8, (6th number could have been 27 or 19, didn't matter).
Set 2: 8 appears on the 3rd spin {+18}
Set 3: 12 appears on the 1st spin {+30}
Set 4: 8 appears on the 3rd spin {+18}
Set 5: 12 appears on the 1st spin {+30}
Set 6: no hits {-36}
Running total would have been {+60}

Not sure if we'd be tracking any of this ....

#### Wally Gator

Ronjo,

I also understand why you wish to use spins from a live dealer.  I can begin providing those numbers as well.

I'm off to the casino, be back in a few hours ....

Wally

#### Ronjo

Hi Wally,

Spot on Bud,very good,very simple hey,you will find that from first number spun it normally takes up to six spins to return to that group,so I normally start to bet from the third spin so we can flat bet without going into a progression.so if you want to carry on lets have three spins to start with and lets see what we can achieve.

Regards,
Ronjo.

#### Wally Gator

Ronjo,

Great!  Here are the 1st 3 spins (taken from a live dealer).

20
3
9

#### Ronjo

Hi Wally,
Here we go!

So we have our first spin in the red group,second spin in the blue group,and the third spin in the green group.

And in the grid below that we dont have a dealer signature as yet.

And in the wheel we have three hits on the left side of the wheel,which is not a random spin when the ball goes from one side to the other for several spins thats random very hard to play.

So we play the Red group for three spins only and stop on a win.

Now I have three ways of picking my numbers one is the groups the other is a dealer signature and the third is another approach on the groups but not in the order as shown.We will concentrate on the first two to start with and will illustrate once we have mastered these two.

I will post the numbers I pick for the latter one as well and see how we do at the end and compare the results between them.

3-4-7-8-11-12-19-20-23-24-35-36

So if you like playing the two dozens these numbers are dominant in the 1st and 2nd dozen also.
But I stick to 12 numbers.

Wally post the next three spins Bud.

Regards,
Ronjo.

#### Wally Gator

Ronjo, interesting.  Yes, it appears there are many variations of selecting the 12 number groups.  Let's keep going and learn the rest of the basics....

Next 3

24
19
10

#### Ronjo

Hi Wally,
Here we have it!

We had a loss in the fourth spin,and then a win in #19 with the fith spin,and we have a signature developing around the 00.

I had a win straight away with the 12# method in #24

Thats the end of the session,so what do we do now.

We could start a session with the groups or we could play the signature if the signature is wider than 9 pockets its not a good play.

So for now we concentrate on the colour groups.

We start a new session with the #24 in the blue group.

Wally could you please do the arithmetic.

Regards,
Ronjo.&nbsp;

#### Diarmaid

Hey Ronjo,

Hope life if treating you well.

Very interesting system, just one thing, I cant see what you mean by the "red group".

Regards
Diarmaid

#### Wally Gator

Hi Ronjo,

A couple of questions as we go...

1. In the 1st post you discussed 6 spins, but we started with 3.  Can you please explain that?

2. In your last post you said we start with #19 in the blue group.  Have we changed colors of the groups.  #19 appears in the red group.  Was that just a mistake on the colors?

3. We're starting from #19 because that's where the hit was, right?   If this is the case, it appears we will be playing the same group until it loses.  Is that right?

Here's the table with the math, beginning with 1000 units for a bank.

[table=,]
Action,,,Number,,,Loss,,,Win,,,Running Total,,,Bank Balance,,,Remarks
Call,,,20,,,,,,,,,,,,1000,,,Looking for Red repeat in 6 spins, play begins on spin 3
Call,,,3
Call,,,9
Play Red,,,24,,,-12,,,0,,,-12,,,988
Play Red,,,19,,,-24,,,+36,,,+12,,,1012
Call,,,10,,,
[/table]

#### Wally Gator

Next 3 spins (same dealer)
15
15
24

#### Ronjo

Quote from: Wally Gator on January 11, 2009, 01:25:40 PM
Hi Ronjo,

A couple of questions as we go...

1. In the 1st post you discussed 6 spins, but we started with 3. &nbsp;Can you please explain that?

Sorry wally if I have not been very clear,I asked you to put six spins in six different sections with the 36 numbers you posted as It takes from the first spin on average 6 spins to come back to that area, so that you could see in 6 spins that would be the case,so what we do is is record three spins first and then we bet in the group where the first spin was so that after the third spin we will have a chance of betting three flat bets which will be 6 spins in total.

2. In your last post you said we start with #19 in the blue group. &nbsp;Have we changed colors of the groups. &nbsp;#19 appears in the red group. &nbsp;Was that just a mistake on the colors?

Sorry again my friend,after the numbers 20-3-9 then came 24-19-10 so number 24 was the first number in the last set of three numbers so we have 24 in the blue group.

3. We're starting from #19 because that's where the hit was, right? &nbsp;&nbsp;If this is the case, it appears we will be playing the same group until it loses. &nbsp;Is that right?

No we play the first number with its colour group of every set of three numbers.

Here's the table with the math, beginning with 1000 units for a bank.

[table=,]
Action,,,Number,,,Loss,,,Win,,,Running Total,,,Bank Balance,,,Remarks
Call,,,20,,,,,,,,,,,,1000,,,Looking for Red repeat in 6 spins, play begins on spin 3
Call,,,3
Call,,,9
Play Red,,,24,,,-12,,,0,,,-12,,,988
Play Red,,,19,,,-24,,,+36,,,+12,,,1012
Call,,,10,,,
[/table]

Wally sorry about the misunderstanding,We are waiting for three spins and then we take the first spin and its colour group and bet on that group until a win,and up to only three spins if losing in total we have six spins if losing.Then we take the first spin from the last three that has spun and that will be our number and the colour it belongs to, to bet on for another three spins.If three spins fall into one colour group we dont bet we run another three spins we only bet on a group if there are only 1-2 hits in that group.

So this is how it should look.

And we got a hit with #24 in the dealer signature if we played those 9#s.But I will leave the other two methods out until we have gone through this one with the group colours as it will get confusing.

OK so we have a hit in number 15 then we wait for another two spins and we have #15 and 24 so we have three numbers in the same group so we dont bet, but wait for another 3 spins.

Regards,
Ronjo.

#### Wally Gator

Hi Ronjo,

OK, I think I've got it now.  Sorry for the confusion.  Here are a few more questions:

1.  We call 3 more spins whenever a single color appears in the previous 3 spins, right?

2.  What do we do when there is a 0 or 00 involved in the 3 spins?

Here's the table and after that I posted the next 9 spins because there are alot of 0's involved.  Perhaps you can use it to explain how that's played.  I very much like the idea that this is being played with flat bets.  Thanks.

[table=,]
Action,,,Number,,,Loss,,,Win,,,Running Total,,,Bank Balance,,,Remarks
Call,,,20,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Looking for Red repeat in 6 spins play begins on spin 3
Call,,,3,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Call,,,9,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Play Red,,,24,,,-12,,,0,,,-12,,,988,,,
Play Red,,,19,,,-12,,,+36,,,+12,,,1012,,,
Call,,,10,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Play Blue,,,15,,,-12,,,+36,,,+36,,,1048
Call,,,15,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Call,,,24,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
[/table]

Next 9 spins (same dealer)

0
6
12
0
33
6
00
18
0

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